Big J on radio 4..

[Big J]

2 minutes ago, John Shutler said:

there are several properties on right move under 500K with 4/5 bedrooms and a bit of land, one of the with an AOC

Id wager that none would be suitable for your needs, poor design blah blah blah......

 

Links please

[LeeGray]

4 minutes ago, Big J said:

The landowner adjacent to our site has 180 acres and I was simply quoting him when he said "we're paid not to farm"

Yes but it’s not true, by spreading these lies your pushing more people to believe this. If I went on a farming forum and said all forestry contractors got grant funding at 40% for machinery I think farmers would look at them in a different light and possibly deal with them in a different way. We all have a responsibility to stick to facts in this day and age where so much ‘alt fact’ stuff is in the media. 

[John Shutler]

3 minutes ago, Big J said:

Links please

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

WWW.RIGHTMOVE.CO.UK

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4 bedroom detached house for sale in Dunkeswell, Honiton, Devon, EX14 £450,000. Marketed by Stags, Honiton

 

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

WWW.RIGHTMOVE.CO.UK

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4 bedroom bungalow for sale in Wellisford, Wellington, Somerset, TA21 £500,000. Marketed by Fine & Country...

 

 

[Ratman]

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

WWW.RIGHTMOVE.CO.UK

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4 bedroom detached house for sale in Dunkeswell, Honiton, Devon, EX14 £540,000. Marketed by Stags, Honiton

[John Shutler]

6 minutes ago, Big J said:

That's nonsense and you have absolutely no basis on which to make that statement. 

if how you come across on the forum is anything to go by, I would say thats a pretty good basis for that statement

[ESS]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

No, we have absolutely no choice. You are (respectfully) mistaken. 

 

If you wish to check, go on Rightmove and find me a house within a 5 mile radius of Uffculme suitable for a family of 4 (with a spare bedroom, as the grandparents come to stay frequently) with outbuildings or land to build barns. Try and find one for less than £600k....

That's called life, you made the choice to move there. Heres the reality of it, there is plenty of provision within planning for rural workers. There may be no provision in planning for harvesting contractors who cannot afford the house they would like because they have chosen to move there.

If you weren't harvesting the timber a contractor could possibly come from 2-300 miles away and do the work, equally as well, and planners would not have to consider changing the rules for them.

[Big J]

32 minutes ago, LeeGray said:

Yes but it’s not true, by spreading these lies your pushing more people to believe this. If I went on a farming forum and said all forestry contractors got grant funding at 40% for machinery I think farmers would look at them in a different light and possibly deal with them in a different way. We all have a responsibility to stick to facts in this day and age where so much ‘alt fact’ stuff is in the media. 

I was simply quoting the landowner. He volunteered the information.

 

29 minutes ago, John Shutler said:

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

WWW.RIGHTMOVE.CO.UK

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4 bedroom detached house for sale in Dunkeswell, Honiton, Devon, EX14 £450,000. Marketed by Stags, Honiton

 

Check out this property for sale on Rightmove!

WWW.RIGHTMOVE.CO.UK

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4 bedroom bungalow for sale in Wellisford, Wellington, Somerset, TA21 £500,000. Marketed by Fine & Country...

 

 

 

Both built like tin sheds and well outside the catchment area for the school which my daughter is settled. You wouldn't know the latter, but you can surely see the former? I don't want a house that requires endless heating. It's expensive, exhausting and environmentally awful.

 

28 minutes ago, John Shutler said:

if how you come across on the forum is anything to go by, I would say thats a pretty good basis for that statement

 

Well sir, you seem to have formed your opinion of me well before this discussion started. You say that I've made no effort to integrate, yet I've been told repeatedly (this week included) by locals that they can't believe how many people I know in the area. I don't make assumptions about you, so please refrain from doing the same about me.

 

13 minutes ago, ESS said:

That's called life, you made the choice to move there. Heres the reality of it, there is plenty of provision within planning for rural workers. There may be no provision in planning for harvesting contractors who cannot afford the house they would like because they have chosen to move there.

If you weren't harvesting the timber a contractor could possibly come from 2-300 miles away and do the work, equally as well, and planners would not have to consider changing the rules for them.

 

Again, respectfully, there is not. I have been involved with architecture (and by extension planning) for my entire adult life. I did my work experience, aged 15 split between an architects practice and a rural vets. My grandfather was also an architect.

 

I am banging my head against a brick wall here. We are so conditioned in the this country to oppose all new development that the first reaction is always "I don't want them to have it because I don't think that I can". Why can't people just be happy that other folk want to build a house for themselves and their family? I don't want to ever move again, I don't see a house as an investment. I just want security and a quality home. I don't want to have to duck for doorways, shuffle around a dining table because the rooms were built too small, constantly stoke a fire because the house has the thermal efficiency of a tent. I don't want to have to rent from millionaires because I'd rather that I (or my children) eventually benefitted from that expenditure. Nothing listed above is ostentatious, exploitative, entitled or unfair. It's natural human desire, and entirely justifiable. 

 

The last I will say before I report back is that we are going to speak to the planners. I have already been told that under the circumstances of resuming sawmilling that an AOC would be considered. I can cite precedent and I am bloody determined. 

 

 

[John Shutler]

4 minutes ago, Big J said:

I was simply quoting the landowner. He volunteered the information.

 

 

Both built like tin sheds and well outside the catchment area for the school which my daughter is settled. You wouldn't know the latter, but you can surely see the former? I don't want a house that requires endless heating. It's expensive, exhausting and environmentally awful.

 

 

Well sir, you seem to have formed your opinion of me well before this discussion started. You say that I've made no effort to integrate, yet I've been told repeatedly (this week included) by locals that they can't believe how many people I know in the area. I don't make assumptions about you, so please refrain from doing the same about me.

 

 

Again, respectfully, there is not. I have been involved with architecture (and by extension planning) for my entire adult life. I did my work experience, aged 15 split between an architects practice and a rural vets. My grandfather was also an architect.

 

I am banging my head against a brick wall here. We are so conditioned in the this country to oppose all new development that the first reaction is always "I don't want them to have it because I don't think that I can". Why can't people just be happy that other folk want to build a house for themselves and their family? I don't want to ever move again, I don't see a house as an investment. I just want security and a quality home. I don't want to have to duck for doorways, shuffle around a dining table because the rooms were built too small, constantly stoke a fire because the house has the thermal efficiency of a tent. I don't want to have to rent from millionaires because I'd rather that I (or my children) eventually benefitted from that expenditure. Nothing listed above is ostentatious, exploitative, entitled or unfair. It's natural human desire, and entirely justifiable. 

 

The last I will say before I report back is that we are going to speak to the planners. I have already been told that under the circumstances of resuming sawmilling that an AOC would be considered. I can cite precedent and I am bloody determined. 

 

 

i’m unaware of your school catchment areas, all i did was search rightmove within 5miles of your location as you requested

you proved my point regards finding issues with any properties. Any one of those places would be a dream home for someone, irrespective of wether some rooms were a bit small or they had to keep a fire going through the winter 

 

”knowing people” isn’t actually knowing people though is it? i’m sure one of the people you “know” could point you in the direction of some more reasonably priced storage, or maybe they see you as an up yourself out of towner and an opportunity try to squeeze as much out of you as possible as you have no other options 

 

 

[Chalgravesteve]

17 hours ago, AHPP said:

Land cost is very much artificially inflated by planning laws. I live in a very normal house on a fortieth of an acre. The land value is, pro rata, £1.8 million per acre. Then subtract the reinstatement value of my house, £100,000. Planning permission has artificially increased the pro rata value of my land by £1.7 million per acre. Undeveloped land around here is £4,000-£10,000 per acre. The value is roughly two hundred times greater because of planning laws.

NB I'm in a very cheap area. In other areas, my land value could be multiples larger, probably up to £15 million per acre pro rata. Then you're looking at planning laws increasing the value of land by about two thousand times.

 

But its inflated BECAUSE you can build on it. Its got a different value to that which you can't. Its like having a 1,000 acre forest of trees. They have a value for timber, BUT if they have a blanket TPO on the whole thing, so you can't cut anything down, its going to have a notional value!

 

Its simple and basic supply and demand. In BigJ's case, he's in Devon, a county that is almost entirely rolling green hills, woodland and fields. Small pockets of villages dot the countryside. If you allow one person to build on a smallholding, you have to allow all. That building and outbuildings all get converted to houses and the restrictions on who can live there are removed over time. In 100 years time, Devon won't look like Devon anymore. That's why there are planning laws and that's why, when land that does exist that CAN be built on costs substantially more. 

 

You cannot just say the value is inflated and compare it to the value of land that you cannot build on. Its not the same. 

[difflock]

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Edited September 2, 2019 by difflock