Big J on radio 4..

[AHPP]

Exactly this, obviously everyone would have to buy food direct from farmers and there’s not many avocado farmers in the uk so most of the vegan wankers would still be shipping them in from Peru where some shithead drug cartel own the plantations and take all the villages water but it is possible to get by without government intervention if the consumer supported it.

 

I didn’t bother describing every step of the delivery chain but it would make no difference anyway. Just assume that 2p of the 20p carrot cost is transport and distributor and retail margins or whatever.

 

[LeeGray]

1 minute ago, AHPP said:

 

I didn’t bother describing every step of the delivery chain but it would make no difference anyway. Just assume that 2p of the carrot cost is transport and distributor and and retail margins or whatever.

 

You genuinely think the farmer would get 80% and the retailer 20?

The subsidy at the minute just makes the material into the supply chain cheaper. The retailers sell for the maximum prices they can get. The price wouldn’t change. The tax payer would benefit from less cost in, but the retailers wouldn’t be dropping there prices.

 

Producers get shit on because most folk don’t care where or who produces there food. If they did and built a relationship with farmers they’d both have a much better deal.

[eggsarascal]

6 minutes ago, LeeGray said:

You genuinely think the farmer would get 80% and the retailer 20?

The subsidy at the minute just makes the material into the supply chain cheaper. The retailers sell for the maximum prices they can get. The price wouldn’t change. The tax payer would benefit from less cost in, but the retailers wouldn’t be dropping there prices.

 

Producers get shit on because most folk don’t care where or who produces there food. If they did and built a relationship with farmers they’d both have a much better deal.

Build a relationship with farmers! Try turning up in someone's yard in a Transit with a genuine request to work along side each other and you'll get out quicker than you went in. When I rented my yard off a local farmer ( who turned out to be a good old boy) I had to get another farmer that I happened to know from the pub in the village to vouch for me. Easier said than done!

[ESS]

22 minutes ago, LeeGray said:

You genuinely think the farmer would get 80% and the retailer 20?

The subsidy at the minute just makes the material into the supply chain cheaper. The retailers sell for the maximum prices they can get. The price wouldn’t change. The tax payer would benefit from less cost in, but the retailers wouldn’t be dropping there prices.

 

Producers get shit on because most folk don’t care where or who produces there food. If they did and built a relationship with farmers they’d both have a much better deal.

 I agree. Supermarket costings are based on profit per sq/ft, hence why they feature strongly in dictating the price of produce.

Morrisons have their own slaughter houses and some of the other supermarkets are major shareholders in meat processors, they dictate the market at livestock auctions, as well as milk prices etc etc.

[monkeybusiness]

14 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Build a relationship with farmers! Try turning up in someone's yard in a Transit with a genuine request to work along side each other and you'll get out quicker than you went in. When I rented my yard off a local farmer ( who turned out to be a good old boy) I had to get another farmer that I happened to know from the pub in the village to vouch for me. Easier said than done!

If anyone turned up unannounced in my yard in a Transit requesting to ‘work alongside me’ I’d make instant assumptions that their intentions were not at all beneficial to me.

I cannot think of a single reason why I would take such an approach as anything other than the start of some sort of scam. 

Maybe I’m racist towards transit drivers though! 

[LeeGray]

When someone turns up in my yard I try and sell them something...that just turns the tables if there driving a transit ?

[Stubby]

2 minutes ago, LeeGray said:

When someone turns up in my yard I try and sell them something...that just turns the tables if there driving a transit ?

Love it . ?

[LeeGray]

Joking aside though it’s easier than ever to buy food direct from producers. Most people don’t bother.

 

We try to have open days often. Had one a few weeks ago and we put the figures of subs the biggest claimants get and then what we get. We also make sure people understand this is only how the food they buy of us is produced, if they buy cheap chickens from Tesco go and have a look at a 25,000 bird broiler house not a few chickens scratching round the grass.

[AHPP]

You genuinely think the farmer would get 80% and the retailer 20?
The subsidy at the minute just makes the material into the supply chain cheaper. The retailers sell for the maximum prices they can get. The price wouldn’t change. The tax payer would benefit from less cost in, but the retailers wouldn’t be dropping there prices.
 
Producers get shit on because most folk don’t care where or who produces there food. If they did and built a relationship with farmers they’d both have a much better deal.

I’ve no idea. 2p was just the first number that came into my head. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that one system pays politicians and civil servants to take and give. The other system doesn’t. The latter system can therefore provide the same thing for less because there’s no politicans’ cut.

[LeeGray]

1 minute ago, AHPP said:

I’ve no idea. 2p was just the first number that came into my head. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that one system pays politicians and civil servants to take and give. The other system doesn’t. The latter system can therefore provide the same thing for less because there’s no politicans’ cut.

It could provide the same for less but unfortunately the big retailers absolutely control the market and would swallow any money saved and so it won’t happen.

Big business is just as unhelpful as big government.