Climate change anyone?

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

Criminal? Criminal that the small scale and Id assume more ethical Farmer that actually cares about his small heard should be banned because of large scale Farms practices? 

 

It is criminal he has to pour good milk down the drain but I think your pointing your finger in the wrong direction here. 

 

I cant tell if you're being facetious or not though? 

Yes, very badly worded. What I meant was the waste is criminal.

 

I know nothing of dairy farming but I suggested keeping less cows, he pointed out to me that he had to take into account cows that were ill, or on medication don't produce, or is not fit for market.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

Yes, very badly worded. What I meant was the waste is criminal.

 

I know nothing of dairy farming but I suggested keeping less cows, he pointed out to me that he had to take into account cows that were ill, or on medication don't produce, or is not fit for market.

Im surprised he's lasted as long as he has. Must be quite demoralising watching his livelihood disapear down the drain.  

[eggsarascal]

10 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Im surprised he's lasted as long as he has. Must be quite demoralising watching his livelihood disapear down the drain.  

Must be sickening, I'm told by the local lads who work on the local sugar beet factory that it's the same with beet, Silver Spoon know what they want/expect from all the farmers they deal with. If the farm has a bumper crop, tuff, the excess is going for feed. I've been told beet gets ploughed back in if there is no market for it.🙄

[Stubby]

13 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

Must be sickening, I'm told by the local lads who work on the local sugar beet factory that it's the same with beet, Silver Spoon know what they want/expect from all the farmers they deal with. If the farm has a bumper crop, tuff, the excess is going for feed. I've been told beet gets ploughed back in if there is no market for it.🙄

Plouging back in is a recognized way of putting nutrients back in the soil but at the same time going against the current trend of not ploughing , rather direct drilling so as not to release  carbon back into the atmosphere .

[trigger_andy]

53 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Plouging back in is a recognized way of putting nutrients back in the soil but at the same time going against the current trend of not ploughing , rather direct drilling so as not to release  carbon back into the atmosphere .

Not only is the farmer losing revenue from not selling his produce he's wasted time and money planting the crop in the first place. 

 

Id assume plowing back in was the cheapest and easiest option? The nutrients being put back in would surely be a tertiary bonus considering they'd much rather have pulled and sold them. 

[Stubby]

33 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Not only is the farmer losing revenue from not selling his produce he's wasted time and money planting the crop in the first place. 

 

Id assume plowing back in was the cheapest and easiest option? The nutrients being put back in would surely be a tertiary bonus considering they'd much rather have pulled and sold them. 

Some times they deliberately plant a crop ( stubble turnip for instance ) and graze it off with sheep before replanting a spring crop .

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Stubby said:

Some times they deliberately plant a crop ( stubble turnip for instance ) and graze it off with sheep before replanting a spring crop .

Yes, but thats not what Eggs is referring to is it? 

 

He's relating a story of a Farmer who planted a cash crop with the intention of selling to a Sugar Company and when the Sugar Company refuses to buy the crop he has no option but to plow the Crop back in and take a loss. 

[Deafhead]

19 hours ago, openspaceman said:

Not necessarily if they are a part of a large farming business, they will have a bigger proportion of subsidies, their accountants will make sure of that but as with any investment in capital equipment the rate of return on investment will favour a big capital spend that eliminates a unit of labour.

 

We saw this in my industry when harvesters came in, two men working long shifts displaced about 20 men doing motor manual harvesting with tractors and trailers. That they messed up the soil structure and the matrix of trees in thinnings was one of the unforeseen outcomes, life adapts to change but it gets harder as you get older. Being a grumpy old man I don't see the advantage of much of it.

Could this be to do with transport costs and population density? My father was born in Aberdeen but AFAIK he never went back to scotland after childhood till I threw him off big ben.

I remember old Robertson nearly in tears as his dairy herd went at Loampits, remember the palaver dragging his mobile milking parlour around the countryside.

[ESS]

Both beet and milk are produced on quota . Its not a question of the beet factory refusing to take the whole crop, however they are under no obligation to take any produce above the contracted tonnage from a farmer. Excess sugar beet ends up as fodder beet .

The same applies to milk, excess milk is usually fed to young stock. Milk from cows that have been given antibiotics etc has to be witheld, as does milk from newly calven cows , so at certain times of the year its quite possible that milk has to go to waste. but in both cases the costings would be based on the level of quota rather than the level produced.

[Stubby]

3 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

Yes, but thats not what Eggs is referring to is it? 

 

 

No . Sorry . Hush my mouth .