Estimated quantity of logs from tree sugury

[Mark Bolam]

25 minutes ago, Big J said:

It's a fair point, and pricing from photos is fraught with difficulty. 

 

That being said, with one 30ft tree and two 20ft trees, the only way I can see that a grand was justifiable was if the trees were hanging out over a crocodile infested swamp and you agreed to let the customer have half an hour with your wife.

 

I know that the example I offered cutting for my friends isn't representative, but even at full price (£800, rather than £400) it was only a few quid per stem. It's probably a case of being lucky enough to have the right kit to do the job really quickly. The stems all got branch logged and having the forwarder to pull them out and stack them was brilliant. Anyway, I only really agreed to the job in order to justify the purchase of a little coppicing saw! ?

You aren’t lucky in having the right kit J.

No one gave it to you.

You need to remember what you’ve gone through to earn it.

It will break, it will need replacing.

 

I rock up in my standard Transit and TW, bit of kit and some saws and some twat says ‘It must be easy for you with all this equipment, surely the price for the job should equate to minimum wage for all concerned’.

I can’t remember anyone giving me the kit.

£40k on a bad day.

 

Hard earned, initially by underpricing myself to keep up with the perceived ‘market rate’.

 

Now?

 

Sometimes we are cheap, by means of efficiency and graft, but I don’t get involved with the ‘I’m getting 15 quotes for my apple tree’ brigade.

 

My existing clients get me back because we know what we’re doing and do a good job. 

 

Apart from the NHS.

Those twats are settling an invoice on Thursday, 3 weeks late.

[Mark Bolam]

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You and I know just because you’re correctly geared up to do the job shouldn’t make it any cheaper mate.

Easier, faster, more efficient, yes, but never cheaper! I appreciate this was for a mate, different ball game.

We often work out cheaper than local ‘gardeners’ because we can do in a couple of hours which would take them an honest weeks toil.

Sorry Vesp!

 

I’ll look forward to meeting you one day J, we can blow the froth off a couple and put the world to rights.

No excuse not to now you’re a southerner like me!

[peds]

28 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

Anyway, as regards this job, I think we're almost all in agreement that the original poster was probably overcharged, but was also probably expecting many more logs than was reasonable.

Yes yes, we know, but what exactly were you given for lunch? That could make or break the deal!

[carlos]

if you want logs from a job , request that the logs stay where they are felled and the brash must be dragged all accross the garden! you will probably end up with twice the amount of logs

[Mark Bolam]

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[Vespasian]

38 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

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We often work out cheaper than local ‘gardeners’ because we can do in a couple of hours which would take them an honest weeks toil.

Sorry Vesp!

 

 

 

Haven't I made a point about this....   you wont be cheaper than me at all..  I'd like to think I'd charge as much as you for a job..

 

were you might gain on me is speed..  you'd be on the next job as I was a quarter way through the same job...  but we'd hopefully get the same money for the same job..  

 

You'd make more money in a week, but I'd be happy as I don't give a monkeys if you did..  

 

its not how fast you can do it, or the equipment and plant you have to hand.. its how much should a job be reasonably priced all variables considered..     only after the price has been ascertained does the speed of operation come into play..  IE you can do it faster and be home sooner..  or onto the next job..

 

As I don't give a toss how long a job takes I'm no worse off than you..   

 

 

[stihlmadasever]

4 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

Its not how fast you can do it, or the equipment and plant you have to hand

But it is and that fact you dont know that means you wont earn as much as a tree firm does.

Time is money bud.

If you got a job that takes you all day because your less experienced/lacking in equipment/slower than me then i can knock out 3 jobs in that same day.

Its really that simple

[Vespasian]

2 minutes ago, stihlmadasever said:

But it is and that fact you dont know that means you wont earn as much as a tree firm does.

Time is money bud.

If you got a job that takes you all day because your less experienced/lacking in equipment/slower than me then i can knock out 3 jobs in that same day.

Its really that simple

Your not kidding, exactly the point I've been making...

 

And I don't need to be making anything like a tree firm makes.. chopping tree's is a hobby of sorts.  not really interested in getting into production..

[Mesterh]

Well, if the OP is going to use an 80's pop singer instead of a bona fide tree "surgeon" then so be it.

 

 

Madness!

 

Reading this thread, B'Jesus, there are a lot of people running business without a clue whatsoever, I think a few of you lads should register as a charity.

 

 

 

[Mark Bolam]

23 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

 

Haven't I made a point about this....   you wont be cheaper than me at all..  I'd like to think I'd charge as much as you for a job..

 

were you might gain on me is speed..  you'd be on the next job as I was a quarter way through the same job...  but we'd hopefully get the same money for the same job..  

 

You'd make more money in a week, but I'd be happy as I don't give a monkeys if you did..  

 

its not how fast you can do it, or the equipment and plant you have to hand.. its how much should a job be reasonably priced all variables considered..     only after the price has been ascertained does the speed of operation come into play..  IE you can do it faster and be home sooner..  or onto the next job..

 

As I don't give a toss how long a job takes I'm no worse off than you..   

 

 

You have missed my point Vesp.

 

A small fell.

It would take you all day.

You’re happy with £150.

 

We smash it with 3 of us in an hour and charge £110 (and with £40k’s worth of kit, admittedly).

 

Ask the customer-

Who is cheapest?

And who gave the ‘rip off’ price then?