Groundsman Rates

[SimpleSimon]

Nobody will work hard for 60 quid, especially not away from home. You can earn that doing anything anywhere, where's the incentive? 

If I were employing people I'd be offering just a bit more than I really thought they were worth, and I'd let them know it. Who will work harder for you, the lad who thinks you're paying him peanuts so you can pocket the rest, or the lad who feels like he's robbing you if he doesn't put the effort in? 

[Spoonz]

Spoonz, would you work away from home all week for £60-£110/day?

I have in the past, when I was a newbie keen to learn and to gain experience.

[eggsarascal]

2 hours ago, Spoonz said:

 

I have in the past, when I was a newbie keen to learn and to gain experience.

 

Fair enough. What would you think would be a decent rate for a qualified, switched on groundie, working away from home should be?

 

Sorry for the derail Tree Brothers. Where abouts in Stoke are you from?

[Rough Hewn]

Well where do I start?
Groundies are expected to have a skill set above and beyond.
Saw tickets
First aid
Hgv license
Aerial rescue
Rigging ground and aerial
Trailer license
Signs and lighting
Rolo/cscs
DBS
Chipper ticket
Grinder ticket
Tracked vehicles
Tractors
Loaders
Polite and courteous to clientele.
Tree identification
Knowledge of silviculture
Etc
Telepathy when you can't hear the climber
Psychic ability to know what the climber is about to think.
Rhino skin to take all the verbal shit from diva climbers.
Cape
Underpants on the outside
Ability to fly
Oh and £10k of kit.
Your own vehicle and 100+ miles a day commute/ sleeping in van.
Pissing in the chip box and shitting in a hedge.
All for less than a curlywurly a day.
And all you climbers wonder why you can't get a decent guy on the ground?

[Joe Newton]

4 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

Well where do I start?
Groundies are expected to have a skill set above and beyond.
Saw tickets
First aid
Hgv license
Aerial rescue
Rigging ground and aerial
Trailer license
Signs and lighting
Rolo/cscs
DBS
Chipper ticket
Grinder ticket
Tracked vehicles
Tractors
Loaders
Polite and courteous to clientele.
Tree identification
Knowledge of silviculture
Etc
Telepathy when you can't hear the climber
Psychic ability to know what the climber is about to think.
Rhino skin to take all the verbal shit from diva climbers.
Cape
Underpants on the outside
Ability to fly
Oh and £10k of kit.
Your own vehicle and 100+ miles a day commute/ sleeping in van.
Pissing in the chip box and shitting in a hedge.
All for less than a curlywurly a day.
And all you climbers wonder why you can't get a decent guy on the ground?
 

 I've worked with plenty of very good groundies. If I struggled to find one I guess I'd pay a decent climber. Far more versatile.

 

I haven't worked for any company that's demanded rigging tickets (ground or aerial) of a groundy. Most are happy to have someone with their wits about them who is prepared to muck in and help get the job done. 

 

It's not rocket science. 

[Steve Bullman]

13 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

Well where do I start?
Groundies are expected to have a skill set above and beyond.
Saw tickets
First aid
Hgv license
Aerial rescue
Rigging ground and aerial
Trailer license
Signs and lighting
Rolo/cscs
DBS
Chipper ticket
Grinder ticket
Tracked vehicles
Tractors
Loaders
Polite and courteous to clientele.
Tree identification
Knowledge of silviculture
Etc
Telepathy when you can't hear the climber
Psychic ability to know what the climber is about to think.
Rhino skin to take all the verbal shit from diva climbers.
Cape
Underpants on the outside
Ability to fly
Oh and £10k of kit.
Your own vehicle and 100+ miles a day commute/ sleeping in van.
Pissing in the chip box and shitting in a hedge.
All for less than a curlywurly a day.
And all you climbers wonder why you can't get a decent guy on the ground?
 

I’ve worked with loads of groundies who may well label me as a diva climber, guess what, they were all useless.

 

ive worked with a small fraction of groundies who I never had a cross word with; guess what, they weren’t useless.

 

could be a confidence?

 

good groundies are worth as much as a climber 

[Rough Hewn]

 I've worked with plenty of very good groundies. If I struggled to find one I guess I'd pay a decent climber. Far more versatile.
 
I haven't worked for any company that's demanded rigging tickets (ground or aerial) of a groundy. Most are happy to have someone with their wits about them who is prepared to muck in and help get the job done. 
 
It's not rocket science. 

You're right joe, it's not rocket science.
But if you add up all the training and experience, it's only 3-4 years for a degree in astronautics.
Nearly twelve years in I struggle to find employers who pay more than macdonalds.
Yes there are some decent outfits who do very professional work and pay a decent rate, but how many think £50-£80 is generous???
When will arb work pay catch up with the rest of the trades?

[Rough Hewn]

I’ve worked with loads of groundies who may well label me as a diva climber, guess what, they were all useless.
 
ive worked with a small fraction of groundies who I never had a cross word with; guess what, they weren’t useless.
 
could be a confidence?
 
good groundies are worth as much as a climber 

I'm sure you're not a diva to work with Steve.
Good groundies are worth as much as a climber, couldn't agree more.
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[Steve Bullman]

2 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

I'm sure you're not a diva to work with Steve.
Good groundies are worth as much as a climber, couldn't agree more.

I’m absolutely not, when working with decent guys on my wavelength....any other time I’m bloody horrible ?

[Rough Hewn]

Hi all just a general enquiry.
 
I was just wondering what the going rate for a subcontractor groundsman is for working away from monday and back home friday
 
The groundsman will only need to bring him self and provide his own food
 
Accomodation and all kit and ppe is provided along with training.
 
Any thoughts?
 
Cheers

It depends where you are in the uk and if you want a qualified groundie £120-150+
or an unskilled labourer £100+.
A decent groundie will have their own ppe.
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