Traditional Firewood is history

[Woodworks]

Hope your wrong TCD. I would have thought the small sellers in sparsely populated areas should be fine. Presumably to go down the RHI kiln rout you need a fair sized set up so large turnover? If yes to sell enough logs would end up covering a large area to get the sales and I recon too many miles for delivery can be the killer with log sales. Fingers crossed as have no intention to get big and fit kilns to stay in the game.

[Logsnstuff]

So, are others perhaps over-invested? Tied into overheads?

 

Reckon you've hit the nail on the head there

 

market is too diluted in certain areas, when we had 6 or 8 merchants here you could make a living when it went over 35 it's been a struggle just to keep going. many are cash merchants and can't compete realistically on price with them.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

You've got kilns running empty... do the math... see the swiz...

[Lazurus]

I have no knowledge of the business but I do not understand how imported wood, with all the associated costs can be cheaper than home grown?

[Logsnstuff]

I have no knowledge of the business but I do not understand how imported wood, with all the associated costs can be cheaper than home grown?

 

for one thing their employees earn 250 euro a month I think the guy said on here a while back, so starting with those kind of labour costs everything else is going to be pretty cheap.

[csservices]

So, are others perhaps over-invested? Tied into overheads?

 

Reckon you've hit the nail on the head there

Someone came on here the other year and proudly announced had invested 40k of his own money in firewood equipment, when I worked it out that meant selling 1200 cube just to cover the machinery, not allowing for buyibg the timber, fuel, labour etc, take a long time for a return without grant money

 

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[gdh]

Someone came on here the other year and proudly announced had invested 40k of his own money in firewood equipment, when I worked it out that meant selling 1200 cube just to cover the machinery, not allowing for buyibg the timber, fuel, labour etc, take a long time for a return without grant money

 

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That's not as bad as it sounds. For example if I spend 20k on a processor and sell it after 4 years for 10k, even if I only did 500 tons a year, and you would want more for that size processor, it would only cost £4 a ton..

 

With the boiler we installed it's the same - it's going to be 5-10 years to pay off but that means it will only cost a tiny amount per cube.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Government subsidy fecks everything it comes into contact with. A dole fund for the rich

 

 

Can I resist the temptation to offer an example....... 😬

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

RHI / Biomass is the culprit; Bonkers.

 

 

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Expending 'energy' to create wood fuel, where it can be done without expending energy, simply sits wrong with me and I can't help but think it's shortsighted, inept and unaccountable civil servants that created the 'system' which is being exploited by those that might be putting £ before environment.

 

Can't really 'blame' people for doing it, the system allows (encourages) it, but it don't sit right with me and if they looked into their conscience, I don't think there's a credible argument to support RHI for kiln drying firewood - other than £.

 

Just a personal perspective.

[csservices]

Expending 'energy' to create wood fuel, where it can be done without expending energy, simply sits wrong with me and I can't help but think it's shortsighted, inept and unaccountable civil servants that created the 'system' which is being exploited by those that might be putting £ before environment.

 

Can't really 'blame' people for doing it, the system allows (encourages) it, but it don't sit right with me and if they looked into their conscience, I don't think there's a credible argument to support RHI for kiln drying firewood - other than £.

 

Just a personal perspective.

Nail on the head there for me too, watched a thibg few years back where the enviroment agency were proudly saying how they were producing charcoal from the alders removed when doing river works and how enviromentally friendly it was making the charcoal in mobile gas fired kilns 🙄

 

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