Potus ???

[Big J]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

Absolute drivel, it not a case of right wing ideologies I'm pretty centered to be honest.

 

You respect the office not the man, Donald is giving him the reality check that's very overdue.

 

He went with a begging bowl, so show a little humility and be very thankful in public.

 

Behind the scenes I couldn't care if they despise eachother instead of popping up on video wasn't it a Glastonbury?.

 

I shall try very hard not to make it personal, but your position is one that is hard to defend, understand or respect. 

 

You use every opportunity to justify the actions of fascists, trying to explain their behaviour as only natural, normal and rational. It is not.

 

Zelensky did not come begging. He and his country are fighting a war because (amongst a great many other reasons) security guarantees given to Ukraine by the Budapest memorandum were not honoured by the west. Ukraine stands on the front line against Putin's imperialistic ambitions. If it falls, it won't be the last country on Putin's list.

 

As such, Ukraine is not only defending itself but the West more broadly. The very least they deserve is our support and respect. Trump et al offer neither, and consequently cannot earn it in return. 

[Steven P]

2 hours ago, GarethM said:

Right, so you go to the oval office not wearing a suit begging for money, even the Jehovah's witnesses that knock on my door wear a shirt & tie and are polite enough to have a conversation even when you say no!.

 

He sat there with arms crossed with a metaphorical begging bowl on his lap and refused to show even a little humility to a nation that's pretty much bank rolling thr government.

 

A video this morning pretty much summed it up as returning to the principles of the founding fathers, happy to trade but leave us alone.

 

Plus even as a non American, the oval office & white house are very different to any other state offices.

 

We burnt the building, hence it was painted white, it's held in high regards like Buckingham palace.

 

So your problem is he didn't wear a suit? News just in 3 years ago, but Zelensky is quite well known for ditching his suit at the start of the war. Well known enough that all (apart from 1) world leaders know and accept it. To have a go because of what he wears?

 

In all usual press conferences - taken after a behind closed doors talks - the 2 parties come out all smiling and either praising the talks as the best thing ever (queue Trump and Starmer as an example), highlighting the good things to make both sides look good, or they come out all smiling with "still work to be done, but progress is being made" (Macron and Trump). To come out and have 2 grown men sitting in their metaphorical front room having a go at another for not wearing a suit and falling at their feet begging? Serious case of petulance, dummies spat so far out they'll probably find them in Toronto.

 

It is also an open invitation to Putin that the US is not going to back up anyone in Europe, he has an open door to take what he wants - mark my words here, that press conference is not stopping the killings in The Ukraine that Trump so desperately wants (?) but quite the opposite. Watch the early spring campaign from the Russians and come back here to tell me that Trump and particularly the sycophant Vance took the right tact in the press conference.

 

Don't forget either that is all it was, a press conference to report on the discussions that they have just had. Not 2 bully boys trying to get their own way.

Edited Saturday at 14:31 by Steven P

[GarethM]

20 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

I shall try very hard not to make it personal, but your position is one that is hard to defend, understand or respect. 

 

You use every opportunity to justify the actions of fascists, trying to explain their behaviour as only natural, normal and rational. It is not.

 

Zelensky did not come begging. He and his country are fighting a war because (amongst a great many other reasons) security guarantees given to Ukraine by the Budapest memorandum were not honoured by the west. Ukraine stands on the front line against Putin's imperialistic ambitions. If it falls, it won't be the last country on Putin's list.

 

As such, Ukraine is not only defending itself but the West more broadly. The very least they deserve is our support and respect. Trump et al offer neither, and consequently cannot earn it in return. 

It's a very easy position to defend, argue and understand, just because a few of you are like the vegan health food shop frowning upon a meat eater buying his soya milk.

 

Of course he was begging bowling, please sir may I have some more.

 

The man must be swimming in begging bowl air miles, no doubt Kier will be giving him a reach around and a blank cheque on the bedside table later today.

 

Trump got it right saying when you're ready for peace, we can talk instead of everyone just saying more more.

[Steven P]

He was ready for peace 3 years ago. Biden doesn't have the ear of Putin, Trump apparently does*.

 

Remember Trump saying very early on that he could stop the war in a day? It has been many days. That war is getting nastier with his involvement.

 

 

 

*... or vice versa.... Putin certainly has the ear of Trump for 'unknown' reasons, I very much doubt that Putin has any regard for Trump.

Edited Saturday at 14:37 by Steven P

[Steven P]

8 minutes ago, GarethM said:

no doubt Kier will be giving him a reach around and a blank cheque on the bedside table later today.

 

 

Well if that is the case, what is Putin giving Trump:

 

Trump doubts that Russia poses a cyber threat? Really? And he thought that Biden was loosing his marbles. Putin has some serious dirt on Trump (reel back a week or 2 on my thoughts on some of Trumps weaknesses).

 

Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats

UK.YAHOO.COM

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Recent incidents indicate US is no longer characterizing Russia as a cybersecurity threat, marking a radical departure: ‘Putin is on the inside now’

 

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, Steven P said:

He was ready for peace 3 years ago. Biden doesn't have the ear of Putin, Trump apparently does*.

 

Remember Trump saying very early on that he could stop the war in a day? It has been many days. That war is getting nastier with his involvement.

 

*... or vice versa.... Putin certainly has the ear of Trump for 'unknown' reasons, I very much doubt that Putin has any regard for Trump.

So make your mind up, trump good or trump bad as that's a very mixed message.

 

Power respects power and power respects money, they equally fear and respect each other.

 

The Ukrainian would just keep spunking it up the walls forever more, negotiation now on ok terms or in five years and get diddly.

[tree-fancier123]

So at the start Putin said 'anyone who dares to interfere....'

Surely one day there will come a time when someone calls the bluff of a nuclear superpower.

In the post apocalyptic dust scape any peoples left outside of the blast zones will group together in various factions

[GarethM]

2 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

So at the start Putin said 'anyone who dares to interfere....'

Surely one day there will come a time when someone calls the bluff of a nuclear superpower.

In the post apocalyptic dust scape any peoples left outside of the blast zones will group together in various factions

Remind me again what MAD stands for.

And remind me again who has said nuclear weapons.

 

They've been used twice and only twice for that exact reason, biggest stick stays in the box but have as many 7.62 as you can carry.

 

Having the biggest stick makes everyone play using only conventional warfare, Saddam and gas being the only outliers.

 

Professor Falken life lessons didn't teach you anything ?.

 

Granted I hope it's automated as Kier would probably be dithering whilst his call was on hold, you call is important to us 3,2,1.

Edited Saturday at 18:00 by GarethM

[peds]

Really odd that this sh*theel can't afford a suit.

 

[Steven P]

3 hours ago, GarethM said:

So make your mind up, trump good or trump bad as that's a very mixed message.

 

Power respects power and power respects money, they equally fear and respect each other.

 

The Ukrainian would just keep spunking it up the walls forever more, negotiation now on ok terms or in five years and get diddly.

 

A couple of clarifications:

 

Trump: Not good, obviously the words I wrote were confusing. Trump didn't stop the war in 1 day. His involvement particularly with that press conference and cosying up to Putin has condemned many more Ukrainian deaths than if he had done nothing.

 

Putin does not respect Trump.

 

'Spunking it up the wall'... a small country fighting a military superpower and - get this - mostly holding its own - Putin was a bit surprised that they weren't a walk over. All the military power of Russia is being held off by what little The Ukraine can acquire. The amount at their disposal holding off a multi-multi-billion war machine sounds like they are are making every Hyrvnia count.

 

 

 

 

So what to do? Well, Trump can try his 'day one' master plan. That might help. Failing that he can use that great respect (?) that Putin has for him to agree an immediate ceasefire till negotiations can occur, that would stop many many 'horrible deaths'. 

 

 

 

Imagine the MAGA public reaction to see a 'communist' leader sitting in the oval office chatting to the president ('Communist' = 'Russian' in their educated eyes in most cases), sure that will go down well!