Potus ???

[Steven P]

History books are of course written by the winners.

 

Leap forward nearly 100 years, if say Putin, the aggressor (the 'Bad Guys') in this case, carpet bombed Kyiv (the 'good guys'), killed 150,000 civilians, would that be acceptable or would it be a war crime?

 

If The Ukraine ('The good guys' who were invaded) went out and did the same action, killing a similar number of Russian civilians ('The Bad Guys', or the aggressors) would that be a problem.

 

Or would both be acceptable civilian casualties?

 

Suspect one action would be a terrible thing, and the other would be acceptable. Leap back to WW2 and ask the same question.

 

 

 

 

"You forget to mention Russian or Japanese genocide by the way. Or even most recently Hamas slaughtering Christian’s".. . Which is a piss poor defence of anything "Look they did bad stuff but they did even badder stuff, so the first bad stuff is OK"

 

 

 

 

* Edity.

Language dumbed down for the hard of understanding.

 

 

Edited Monday at 17:47 by Steven P

[GarethM]

Well seeing as Dresden was a manufacturing hub for the Reich, that's one of the reasons it was chosen.

 

Same reasoning behind the dam busters raids, same reason they targeted railway and other infrastructure.

 

Ukraine is a bit different, other than a few drones all the weapons and armour is delivered ready for use and they do target those centres.

 

So yes bombing a city would be a war crime, as it's not the 1940s.

 

We can drop a bomb with almost mm precision, in the 40s they quickly realised high altitude bombing didn't work particularly due to cloud and flak.

[Steven P]

It is more the intent I am talking about. The intent in WW2 was civilian casualties, my hypothetical above was civilian casualties.

 

 

 

 

 

 

(hypothetical: for the hard of understanding means story)

[Johnsond]

2 minutes ago, Steven P said:

It is more the intent I am talking about. The intent in WW2 was civilian casualties, my hypothetical above was civilian casualties.

 

Are you genuinely stupid ?? 

[GarethM]

So let's use your hypothetical for say Afghan/Iraq/Hamas.

 

How am I supposed to target a gorilla force that refuses to wear a identifiable uniform?.

 

The general default was anyone with a gun who wasn't you, the police or their army were effectively classed as hostile. 

[Mick Dempsey]

6 minutes ago, GarethM said:

So let's use your hypothetical for say Afghan/Iraq/Hamas.

 

How am I supposed to target a gorilla force that refuses to wear a identifiable uniform?.

 

The general default was anyone with a gun who wasn't you, the police or their army were effectively classed as hostile. 

Did you think guerilla was gorilla? That is so cute!
I used to think that when I was really little listening to the news.

Mental pictures of Gorilla armies. 

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Our views on Bomber command and you referring to raids as war crimes are never gonna align, to compare those lads actions in the same context ie war criminals as the SS and Wermacht killing squads is utterly ridiculous. 
Bomber crews knew the target and the make up of the bomb load on every flight J. I suspect they just wanted the Germans to quit even it was obviously a lost cause, sadly they didn’t. 

Also didn't they ( the Luftwaffe ) drop one or two tenpenny ones on Coventry and London . Just saying .. 

[GarethM]

18 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Did you think guerilla was gorilla? That is so cute!
I used to think that when I was really little listening to the news.

Mental pictures of Gorilla armies. 

Don't ever ask an Aussie about the emu wars!.

 

Blame autocorrect, but potato/potatto

[Steven P]

Going back like for like, and not guerilla forces, you are off onto your distraction tangent and not the comment.

[Johnsond]

30 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Also didn't they ( the Luftwaffe ) drop one or two tenpenny ones on Coventry and London . Just saying .. 

Stubby I’m genuinely shocked that we have people on here equating the actions of the RAF crews of Bomber command with HAMAS and Nazi war criminals. It’s the unbelievably entitled behaviour of a generation that has not served and only knows peace. ****************ing disgusting attitude towards lads  who gave up their lives then, so those self same pretentious pricks can voice such opinions freely today. Wankers no other word. 

Edited Monday at 19:06 by Johnsond