Potus ???

[sime42]

11 hours ago, Johnsond said:

That doesn’t answer the question, how is it shameful in your opinion!!. You confuse “ our” with your “own” disgusting pretentious, apologist mentality.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Those guys who flew night after night ( often not retuning) when no other country was standing up to the German war machine didn’t have that luxury. War is shit there is no Shame in my eyes towards what they did especially not towards a regime as evil at the Nazis.

 

Bingo! That's just the point isn't it? Israel isn't fighting the Nazis and their industrial warfare state. That was 80 years ago. They are now the state of industrial warfare, fighting a ragtag bunch of evil terrorists with some rockets and lots of tunnels. Hamas themselves are clearly a group of evil barbaric individuals who need stopping and punishing for their vile deeds, but the rest of the Palestinian people, the innocent women and children? 26.9 : 1

Maybe you can justify to yourself what happened in Dresden, but can you really, in clear conscience, do the same about what's happening in Gaza? Where are the munitions factories, the industrial infrastructure that Israel is disabling? It looks at best like a collective punishment on a huge scale, with more land grabbing, and at worst an act of genocide. I agree with you, war is shit, this isn't war though. 26.9 : 1

It's a bit naive to think that this episode in Middle Eastern history is going to bring peace and stability to the region. Far from it, it's just cultivating generations worth of future hatred and suffering, on all sides.

 

And now the area is going to be requisitioned by the US and turned into a luxury Trump golf course. WTF?

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

Bingo! That's just the point isn't it? Israel isn't fighting the Nazis and their industrial warfare state. That was 80 years ago. They are now the state of industrial warfare, fighting a ragtag bunch of evil terrorists with some rockets and lots of tunnels. Hamas themselves are clearly a group of evil barbaric individuals who need stopping and punishing for their vile deeds, but the rest of the Palestinian people, the innocent women and children? 26.9 : 1

Maybe you can justify to yourself what happened in Dresden, but can you really, in clear conscience, do the same about what's happening in Gaza? Where are the munitions factories, the industrial infrastructure that Israel is disabling? It looks at best like a collective punishment on a huge scale, with more land grabbing, and at worst an act of genocide. I agree with you, war is shit, this isn't war though. 26.9 : 1

It's a bit naive to think that this episode in Middle Eastern history is going to bring peace and stability to the region. Far from it, it's just cultivating generations worth of future hatred and suffering, on all sides.

 

And now the area is going to be requisitioned by the US and turned into a luxury Trump golf course. WTF?

You didn’t answer the question 

Whet  is it we are supposed to ashamed of in our past ?? 
 

It's a bit naive to think that this episode in Middle Eastern history is going to bring peace and stability to the region 🤷‍♂️

 

Talk of naivety etc etc

Been going on before you were born and will be going on after you die 🤷‍♂️

Maybe something to do with a particular religion you think ??

What is your opinion on how women are treated over there 42 ??

Edited Monday at 11:46 by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, Steven P said:

It is not an ideological hate for the man, he is simply not a good man, he is a failing politician. You might want to detract from this by bringing just about every other politician past and present into the conversation but no one so far has stood up and said:

Trump is a good and moral man

Trumps presidency is going to plan.

End of really. Moan and whinge that your poster boy is getting a hard time... but he brings that on himself

So that’s it then “ he’s not a good man” iyo 😂😂

At least we know what he does for a living 🤔

If his harsh but true words get the UK to stop destroying our armed forces and leaving us utterly defenceless ( listen to Lord Dannet and see what he has to say about Starmers delusions) that will be a win win as far as I’m concerned. 
So much crying like a bitch about US politics yet  so little to say about our own disaster of a government and needless to say the usual silence over the two most recent Islamist terror attacks in Europe. Classic SP. 

[Johnsond]

What do I need to justify 42 what is it you are ashamed of ??

Total war was not an Allied phrase and I’m sure the victims of the Blitz didn’t see any issues with the methodology of defeating Nazi Germany, You apologists who with the benefit of years of hindsight try to put a moral angle on something you know **************** all about. You are lucky those people who made those nightly trips were not as weak, entitled and naive as many are today. 

2 hours ago, sime42 said:

Maybe you can justify to yourself what happened in Dresden, 

Edited Monday at 11:51 by Johnsond

[tree-fancier123]

Dannatt

[Steven P]

40 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

So that’s it then “ he’s not a good man” iyo 😂😂

At least we know what he does for a living 🤔

If his harsh but true words get the UK to stop destroying our armed forces and leaving us utterly defenceless ( listen to Lord Dannet and see what he has to say about Starmers delusions) that will be a win win as far as I’m concerned. 
So much crying like a bitch about US politics yet  so little to say about our own disaster of a government and needless to say the usual silence over the two most recent Islamist terror attacks in Europe. Classic SP. 

 

I believe this is a thread about POTUS and I am making relevant comments here.

Not adding distracting comments when your bromance love interest is getting a bit of heat for being a bit rape-y and a bit fail-y.

[GarethM]

23 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

I believe this is a thread about POTUS and I am making relevant comments here.

Not adding distracting comments when your bromance love interest is getting a bit of heat for being a bit rape-y and a bit fail-y.

Fail-y, hummm let's have a look at all your other world leaders, that less -y just FAIL.

[Big J]

42 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

What do I need to justify 42 what is it you are ashamed of ??

Total war was not an Allied phrase and I’m sure the victims of the Blitz didn’t see any issues with the methodology of defeating Nazi Germany, You apologists who with the benefit of years of hindsight try to put a moral angle on something you know **************** all about. You are lucky those people who made those nightly trips were not as weak, entitled and naive as many are today. 

 

Dresden and the firebombing of Hamburg were war crimes. Hamburg especially. As many people died in Operation Gommorah (lasting 8 days and 7 nights) as the entire Blitz.

Very few people actually knew the full scope of the operation and the truly evil details. Arthur "Bomber" Harris masterminded it, with the specific goal of maximising civilian casualties and terror within the German population. 

 

The sequence of bombing was as follows: first to be dropped were high explosive bombs to destroy windows and doors (creating the ideal conditions for the rapid spreading of fire). Then incediary rounds were dropped to create a firestorm, alongside timed high explosive to target emergency workers. 

 

A quarter ofbetter a million homes were destroyed. 37,000 (mostly) civilians died in a week. It was a war crime.

 

Another example is the Bengal famine of 1943. Churchill intentionally diverted food away from Bengal and continued rice exports as the population starved. This was to supply well fed European soldiers and top up European stockpiles. He referenced the Bengalis as "breeding like rabbits". 3 million Bengalis died.

 

Yes, the UK was fighting on the of what was right in WW2, but it doesn't absolve it of responsibility for heinous acts. 

 

Looking a little further back into the UK's past and you can take your pick of any number of atrocities, oppressions and wars for which the UK was entirely responsible. 

 

I detest this revisionist attitude towards British Imperialism as being a universally benevolent force in the world. Yes, it brought some benefit in some ways, but it was largely hugely negative. India, as an example, had between 25-35% of global GDP for the 1500 years preceding British colonialism, and 2% when the Brits left in 1947. 

Come to think of it, is there a single example of a country anywhere in the world that is objectively better for having being under colonial rule? Perhaps Australia and New Zealand, but their history with their aboriginal populations is chequered at best, and genocidal at worst.

 

It's a huge topic

[Johnsond]

20 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

I believe this is a thread about POTUS and I am making relevant comments here.

Not adding distracting comments when your bromance love interest is getting a bit of heat for being a bit rape-y and a bit fail-y.

lol 😃😃still trying to create something out of nothing just like the old covid thread. Mr anonymous and his kindling pics eh 👍👍

Looks like NATO defence spending is going up across the alliance 

win win SP. 
rape and failure ?? What are you on about surely he would be in jail if all you say is true. Funny how you don’t  have the same evangelical obsession with the Asian rape gangs in the UK eh. 

[Doug Tait]

12 minutes ago, Big J said:

Dresden and the firebombing of Hamburg were war crimes. Hamburg especially. As many people died in Operation Gommorah (lasting 8 days and 7 nights) as the entire Blitz.

Very few people actually knew the full scope of the operation and the truly evil details. Arthur "Bomber" Harris masterminded it, with the specific goal of maximising civilian casualties and terror within the German population. 

 

The sequence of bombing was as follows: first to be dropped were high explosive bombs to destroy windows and doors (creating the ideal conditions for the rapid spreading of fire). Then incediary rounds were dropped to create a firestorm, alongside timed high explosive to target emergency workers. 

 

A quarter ofbetter a million homes were destroyed. 37,000 (mostly) civilians died in a week. It was a war crime.

 

Having read quite a bit about this subject, the Dresden experience particularly, just horrific.

Yes the 'fliers' went through a lot and I don't know if I could possibly do what they did, utmost respect, but what they inflicted was horrific.

There's always big talk about the blitz and what 'we' suffered, but not remotely comparable.