trigger_andy

I cant see her submitting to one unless she was damn sure she could control the outcome or is clean.

I quite agree. This issue should not be seen as a political thing yet voicing such views always seems to be considered right-wing. How dare you expect people to be responsible for their own actions.

Oh oh, Eggs and the other bleeding heart lefties will be out to linch you for this one.

We're faced with the greed of the Tories or the utter incompetence of Labour. What a bloody choice.

It’s staggering how one man can be so consistently wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day and he can’t even hit those odds. He makes the wannabe Carpenter look insightful….

I was not referring to you. To be fair you’ve never commented on middle earners and I’ve never thought of you as someone who has an axe to grind against those who are.

The Scallops and Fillet Steak where hot. So all was not lost.

Saturday night off-shore and you can really feel the cost of living crisis kicking in. Not hot Lobster option tonight, just cold. It’s really hitting home.

I’ve never spoken with them. Different social circles don’t you know. One does not engage with the hired help.

True, but if sooner the corporations pay them more than the working man who has achieved something in his life and is being penalised for it. Would that put the price of good up? Of course. But then we can pick and choose which goods to buy, we can’t pick and choose blanket taxation. It’s a moot point though as it’s never ever going to happen. The poor get poorer, the rich get richer and the middle class pay for it all and are told by the Green Eyed Monsters to stop complaining.

Not sure about that. I know quite a few with an ok income who employ cleaners.

In this scenario would they not get working tax credits? Anyway, we agree that its should be the corporations that should pay these people a proper wage so they they are not topped up by those who have gone out of their way to make a living for themselves.

Minimum wage and full time will see that person pay £1500 a year in Income Tax. The vast majority if not all will have that topped up with a raft of benefits that will outweigh any token tax paid.

Total Prick. Now we'll leave it.

Thats because those on minimum wage pay no income tax and get a raft of benefits. Its still these people I hear day in day out whinging about their bills. People earning considerably more are funding those on minimum wage and get shafted left right and center and actually have a genuine reason to complain. Well the feelings mutual, you seem to fall into the latter as well. Your barely concealed jealousy of your in-laws is quite unbecoming.

Well that’s bs for a start. 🤣 All they do is complain they don’t have enough money and wait on their next bailout. The Green Eyed Monster is alive and well it seems.

Mixed bag really. Generally poor although my Grandmother and Grandfather where relatively well off. My Grandfather moved to Trinadad to manage the new Power Station there in the 60’s. My father was born there. My other Grandfather grew up dirt poor in the Slums of Plymouth, got an apprenticeship as a shipwright that eventually took him to Dunfermline. He worked all his life, my grandmother did not. My wife’s parents again poor up bringing. He worked all his life, she did not enter the work force til all four of their children where fully grown and left home. In most cases the father worked and the mother raised the children and was a proud housewife. The fathers wage alone was enough to bring in a wage that allowed them to get a mortgage. General consensus seems to be a tougher time but far more care free. You wanted to eat then you worked. You wanted to get on then there was not much holding you back. But that also meant moving the length and breadth of the country to find the work and not whinging about it. Even working up in Scotland as a Farm Hand my Father-in-law (English) paid his 15% mortgage and raised four children. He’s now living the time of his life on his State and private pension.

I don’t see why that is relevant at all. I know why you’re asking it, but it’s irrelevant. Do you think I don’t have parents, grand parents, older friends and workmates who grew up lived through the 70’s?

I agree. That’s why they have to use word salad like relative poverty instead of actual poverty. But the youth of today will struggle to ever own a house. There is plenty other key indicators to show where we are worse off than the 70’s. Still, we would be far better off if we where not being robbed on a global scale.

You might get lucky. Folk seem to be getting more and more desperate.

I tend to agree with you here but the reality is the transfer of wealth from the average Joe to the super wealthy within the last few years is in the trillions. We’re being robbed right before our eyes and it’s nothing to do with demonising resources. Our standard of living is being continually eroded, we’re now hearing of three day school weeks. The U.K. pension barely covers the most meagre of living standards.

Cant see you getting Sweet Chestnut at Larch prices, but you never know? The Timber alone is gonna cost you your budget I’d imagine. Two days work will get you your £300. I guess you might get cheaper, depends on how folks value their time.

I believe they will struggle as well. £140k sounds like a lot but you’re absolutely hammered with tax on that. It’s highly likely they have cut their cloth accordingly to their wages. So they’ll have a mortgage based on their income, and I’ll assume a house that’s s fairly large size out in the sticks if they’re on heating oil. With Heating Oil trebling over the last 2 years that could make a significant difference to what, if any disposable income they may have previously budgeted for. Every working man is going to be hit hard by this. The green eyed monster is not going to change that.

Its still summer, give it time. Anyway, folk wont really change their habits, they'll just spend the same of frivolities then claim they are drying from not being able to heat their homes, or not be able to afford to heat a couple of tins of beans and some toast then refuse to pay their heating bill.

You would do if you could put a lid on the glass. It would literally make no difference, you're gonna shake the can anyway.