tree-fancier123

they say corona has destroyed 1/3 demand, fortunes will be made and lost, hope the pundits are wrong about extent of economic collapse. The chinese are a bit more blunt than us 'keep the factories running, just pile up the dead staff over there and we will collect and replace'

I hope they dont cut and all US shale is bankrupted. See what garbageTrumps twitter account churns out then

do you know what? I'm feeling a bit sick, but not corona - another reason, when we were discussing low oil prices the other day I remember telling you about buying Shell for my ISA, well I bottled that position and put the money in BT instead. Now bloody Shell is up over 30% since its lows. How long before the next pandemic? - I'll make sure to hold and not fold next time. Although maybe this oil rally is short lived, they could still be paying customers to take it if the storage fills up

What do you mean what? Eggs shared his opinion of Boris with the world - so did I. I also tried to express the thought that while the current situation is dire, with even the PM being hospitalised, it is nothing like as bad as our ancestors had it with the plagues.

I don't dislike him - Boris or Blair? Both of them know their ideas are the right ones, neither of them would be too happy to be infected with the black death.

that is a problem - I took down a small dead tree last week and was loading up the wood to give to someone when I noticed the neighbours had felled a couple of small conifers and dumped the wood by a low wire fence, the neighbours were there so I asked if they wanted the wood for anyone or I could offload it for them. They proceeded to hand me the logs over the fence until the bloke said 'you don't want to get too close' me: 'oh shit, sorry I forgot'. After which I suggested they just throw the wood over. He said 'our daughter is a taxi driver'. I spent the rest of the day thinking how easy this virus can be passed on. If I'm symptom free two weeks from now, maybe I'm not incubating it from that encounter. I had minutes before taken the precaution of asking the customer to leave her cheque under a stone...

it was a lie - a pathetic attempt to reach out to someone through the ether and interact

they are talking about putting the state pension age up to 93 to help cover costs

well as you know the payment on account tax for self employed can now be deferred til next Jan, like an interest free loan. You would normally put some money aside to pay the tax bill in July? And if your main income was self employed for last three years, even if you've been investing you must surely have declared a profit of at least £10000 - £15000 after annual investment allowance and expenses? So you should be contacted by them and be eligible for 80% of your average monthly profits x 3 in June. Stack shelves for a few weeks. I mean you're being a bit fussy - oh no it must be with chainsaws or nothing. Just do anything to survive. Then back to what you want to do when things pick up.

oh ok didn't realise, thanks for sharing, will have to look into it

thread says Covid 19 projects - is this bed destined for the Excel Centre?

my blue 660 didn't oil out of the box, regret buying it really, chain tensioner and carb control lever also rubbish, import duty adds to the initial cost. I'm sure it can be made into a reliable big saw if you swap nearly everything for genuine Stihl

Italy has reported around a thousand in a day, similar order of magnitude. I dont think it was a silly prediction. No room for optimism - we need the detachment of dry as a dust bowl science. I hope he's on the high side too!

the amount of money this pandemic will cost - surely the world would be better off financially to ban all pleasure travel from now on forever

oh come on he's just said he thinks the death rate will increase from the current 400 odd per day.

Are you of the opinion that China's graph hasn't really flat-lined at all - and the only major honest data is euro and US?

interested to hear your take on germanys numbers? They obviously have been testing a lot. Maybe we are not doomed

2000 a day - wow I'm enjoying my new career as armchair epidemiologist and will take a punt at UK death rate topping out no higher than 1132

Argument valid, but 1% figure out by factor of 10

I never said best anything, just pointing out the amount of countryside that would need to be built on to house them all if they lived. I'm glad I wasn't aborted, was adopted so it was a close shave

if the stats are right abortion at 9 million a quarter, approx 36 million a year. If they banned it that would need a fair few thousand extra acres of concrete and flimsy rabbit hutches to house them all, more countryside ruined

some unlucky people out of the 8 billion floating around will be HIV+ve, SARS-CoV-2 +ve, obese, cancerous, dangerous drivers, smokers, hungry and suicidal alcoholics all at once, then go abroad and catch malaria. It was too late for them to be aborted

when you think about the morbid last hours of someone dying from C-19 it is like drowning in their own mucus - oxygen starvation, then heart and kidney decline and failure. Soo it occured to me a novel high tech cure would be to get the blood out of the patient through a cannula and into an artificial lung that does the gas exchange instead of the lungs, preferably a device that could work of power tool batteries so the patient could walk about. Not quite so far fetched, but an encouraging developement in the news today 'A non-invasive breathing aid that can help to keep coronavirus patients from needing intensive care has been developed and approved in a matter of a few days. The device, known as continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP), was created by a partnership between the Mercedes Formula One team, University College London (UCL) and University College London Hospital (UCLH). CPAP devices work by pushing a mix of oxygen and air into the mouth and nose at a continuous rate, thereby increasing the amount of oxygen that gets into the lungs. They bridge the gap between an oxygen mask and the need for full mechanical ventilation, during which the patient must be sedated.' PS last time I saw someone spitting on their hand cant remember the name of the film..

The WHO says that "according to current evidence," the virus is transmitted through "respiratory droplets and contact routes." By that, the agency means the virus is found in the kind of big droplets of mucus or saliva created through coughing and sneezing. These droplets can travel only short distances through the air and either land on people or land on surfaces that people later touch. Stopping this kind of transmission is why public health officials urge people to wash hands frequently and not touch the face, because that could bring the virus into contact with the nose or mouth. Other viruses, however, get shed by infected people in a way that lets the germs actually hang suspended in the air for minutes or even hours. Later, these airborne viruses can get breathed in when other people pass by. Measles is a good example of that kind of transmission — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says, "Measles virus can remain infectious in the air for up to two hours after an infected person leaves an area." Among patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, viral loads in the upper respiratory tract are high; as a consequence, respiratory secretion in the form of aerosols (<5 µm) or droplets (>5 µm) is likely, the authors note. van Doremalen and colleagues used nebulizers to generate aerosols. Samples of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 were collecting at 0, 30, 60, 120, and 180 minutes on a gelatin filter. The researchers then tested the infectivity of the viruses on Vero cells grown in culture. They found that SARS-CoV-2 was largely stable through the full 180-minute test, with only a slight decline at 3 hours. This time course is similar to that of SARS-CoV-1; both viruses have a median half-life in aerosols of 2.7 hours (range, 1.65 hr for SARS-CoV-1, vs 7.24 hr for SARS-CoV-2). they have to do the research, but then release the results in a way that won't make people too worried, difficult job

I'm surprised the pigs couldn't manage the whole thing - bloke I know who raised a couple of great big pigs said he was told don't fall over or there will be nothing left. An interesting account of how they were slaughtered too - bloke lifted the back legs on a tractor loader arm, brave man to grapple with those beasts