Dean Lofthouse

I'm a little disappointed in Wee Joe..... to be truthful Choosing mucky women over his Arbtalk buddies At his stage in his arb career he should be learning about wood not how to use his wood

Not your fault at all Graham, my parents taught me nothing, I learnt how to strip an engine at 11 years old through my own inquisitivness (if thats how you spell it)

Here in Huddersfield shooting incidents are a weekly occurance and now dont even make the local rag never mind local news Perhaps I have been a little harsh on the police, but when I sit back and watch the ignorant misinformed comments that the public and so called experts come out with regarding firearms, it really does annoy me as it affects me directly and as such I feel I have a right to comment. One of the reasons me and a firearms officer hold a firearms demonstration at our show, is to educate the public and kids as to how firearms are used, the reason we have them is to show how dangerous and powerful they are in the wrong hands or when mis-used our demonstration is the most popular event at the show, even to firearms holders. But most of all to educate the local populous that there are legal guns out there and introduce them to the reasoning behind them I for one have campaigned for courses to be passed similar to NPTC courses before certificates are issued simply because there should be a bar set for gun handling, safety and ballistic awareness. Over 7000 firearms related incidents last year, yet one incident in ten years of a legally held firearm and there's massive interest and the public baying for legislation. Like I said previously, if these 7000 incidents were condensed into one day then the public and "mates" might start "helping the police with their enquiries" instead of protecting their so called mates and neighbours either through fear or some kind of mis placed "loyalty"

As you may have guessed Dave, I am passionate about legitimate firearms use and when it all boils down to it the only people who get critisesed are firearms users. It doesn't help when you see witness's interviewed describing how this nutter had a "massive rifle with massive telescopic sights and a huge silencer, the gun was nearly touching the ground and he had to hold it at 45 degrees because it was that heavy" It was a .22 rimfire, which is a small firearm for shooting rabbits !! Statements like that directly affect me and the knee jerk reactions directly affect me, so I have every right to complain and spit out my dummy. This may sound selfish and it isn't meant to be, but the quicker the police had acted the lesser the impact on normal firearms certificate hiolders like myself. Within 12 hours of this happening, there were people being interviewed, including politicains, about firearms laws and how we can tighten them. We already have the tightest gun laws in the world. I particularly have more reason than most to moan as the last time this happened the knee jerk reaction was to ban pistols, which robbed me of a chance to get into the olympic pistol team. It also makes it worse for us to go about our business as everytime someone sees someone with a gun (even in a bloody field) they call the police. I am getting fed up of armed response coming out to check me out despite it being quite obvious I am legitamately there. Last time I was zeroing my rifle, off the bonnet of my fully sign written landrover, in a 50 acre field in full veiw of around 100 houses to one side and I was 50 yards away from the farm house. Some idiot with binoculars wasted police time reporting me, knowing full well I was there legitamately. Incidents of illegal guns are rife, people are shot on a daily basis but we hear very little. I'm sorry about the 12 people killed but that is a small number compared to the yearly uk death rate of illegal guns, yet there is a massive uproar. Perhaps if the number of illegal gun related incidents happened all on the same day it might get a bit more attention and make people realise that there are probably more illegally held firearms owned by drug selling gangs and wanna be gangsters than there are held legally. There are only 800,000 certificate holders in the uk Read these figures, it will make your toes curl Firearms Offences - England & Wales We just get hammered all the time and it's about time the police got the hammering for not doing their job right, not the likes of me that has nothing whatsoever to do with some nut rampaging about the countryside killng folk

The difference though Dave is that one example was "contained and the area evacuated" and this recent one was "uncontained and on the rampage" One used excessive force uneccesarily( because I suspect of his lack of firearms experience) and then these recent ones didn't use enough force.

What, like the ironing and the washing up ?

I'd give a written quote of £1200 and tell them to ring a "We'll beat any genuine quote" merchant

You dont me and have no idea what I would have done, you only know what you would have done, and I wouldn't call it a "hero approach" to me it is natural instinct, nothing else. ARO's and Beat bobbies get paid to risk their life, if they dont like doing so they should get an office job or dont join in the first place, it's quite simple. I can't stand this "oh I wouldn't like to do their job" Thats why those that say it are not coppers and those that are know full well what they let themselves in for.

It's ok Stevie, I thought it was walnut too

Hahaha........class

I found it quite shockng really Sean, very obvious when you play it back

Failed

Dont be silly, its Holly

You've been watching too much telly

Once again.....there's to be no enquiry, so when you do come up with more facts, which is now unlikely, please feel free to join in the conversation with a few more words than ditto

I doubt that very much Tim, the clue is in the place name "Sellefield" a prime terrorist target. It would not be good to have a local police force made up of farmers with pitch forks and catapults

The facts are already there and seen as now they are not going to carry out an investigation then those are the facts we have to work with

No vat and dont forget regional differences.. essex is going to be slightly dearer than here or should be. I reckon if I was busy and priced to allow for overbudget I'd stick another £300 on, If I wanted the job I'd charge what I posted

Text him and tell him to get his butt on here, I,m busting to know if I'm wrong with my Leylandii ident

Whoooee whoooe whoooe sweet child of mine... Can we have the thread back on track please

I would have had one climber and three ground staff over three days and charged £2K then get stump busters in to do the stump at about £350 More if I was busy

Sad thing is mate it's not the first time it has happened, it happened whilst the fox hunting debate was on going but very little was heard about it. This ones probably made big news because it was two kids together

Its a leylandii, I can see the twigs underneath it !!!!

Stop being so sensetive Frank, your not the only one with two kids

So are you getting the stem out in one piece