Leyburn Lad

WOMEN! FORESTRY! BEHAVE YOURSELF! BE LETTING EM DRIVE CARS AND DRINK INT CLUB NEXT ECK!

Get Carter the original not the stallone rubbish:thumbup:

rising damp, miss jones springs to mind

move away further inland, if you live that close they will try to turn you:lol:

bumping the thread here, but jp you cant put location lancs/yorks on your details, its one or the other:thumbup1:

Been on the same one myself at Kendal in the lakes, probably one of the better courses ive been on for LOLER, did you get to use the test bed downstairs and the drop test in the mill tower, we did this the second time I went certainly opened your eyes to whats what in strength and safe to carrry on using. How long were you at fountains, i served with them from 98 to 07, worked lakes, leeds, bedale, bletchingly, scotland, blackburn.

dont buy work in mate, it makes it hard for all of us if people keep quoting silly prices, if trees are that bad then you will need to pay a bit more than 100 a day especially on weekends:thumbup1:

Regardless of wether you have UA tickets etc, if your not contracted by an approved supplier for this sort of work or directly contracted by the NO then you should follow the afag giude lines, which if you read states no works with in 2tree lengths of any power line regardless of what voltage. Somebody also pointed out that LV IS worse than HV lines, HV has means of tripping out if struck by an object or person causing a phase to phase, but it can also trip back in several times if there is an auto recloser in play on the line. still make a mess of you if it gets hold. LV is another beast, easiest explained like this, when you trip out lv you blow the fuses in general, now if this has happened in the past due to weather or a strike and the rec has been to sort it, they may just bang a bigger rated fuse in to get it going again, you then as the unlucky one who may contact it later will suddenly find it doesnt trip as it should and bingo your gone. Been there and bought the tshirt, beleive me not a good place.

Are you only looking for direct staff or sub contract as well.

Happy New Year to one and all, lets hope 2011 is an improvement on 2010, keep safe folks:thumbup1:

van drops in power and will only let you operate at low revs and speed, its basicly a safety feature to stop any damage to the engine if anything goes wrong ie engine management. My ecu crashed on me and it went into this mode until the rac rebooted it roadside

Nice motors mate, was after one myself but couldn't get one for love ner money at the time, ended up with a hilux crew cab base model, if your after a rodeo go for the newer 2.5 better fuel and performance

Unfortunately no it doesn't, there's two of them and the one thats the pain is the egr exhaust thingy , has your van gone into safe mode recently, that was the beginning of the end for me

Do You have a number for susie nick, would get it from work but its long way from essex to yorkshire:001_tt2:

Good luck with this one mate, I had a warrior 04, same issues as your getting, replaced thermostat, waterpump, bled it and bled it some more, turned out to be the EGR valve this is on the side of the engine head, changed it and bingo no more problems, apparently they break up and let air back into the heating system hence air lock in your expansion tank. Milners 4x4 are a good source of help and the L200 owners club. sold mine a while ago and got a hilux hl2 2.5 instead, good truck but noisey injectors now, supposedly this is common and just down to cold weather on start up 4x4 woes never end

Any body point me in the right direction for finding a supplier for fire wood, looking for a wagon load delivered pref-ably but could arrange own transport, prices for said amount appreciated

Don't feel alone mate this style and competence is where ever you go, scary thought that he is working for himself and hiring himself out as competent, time and patience with them is what they need some like to run before they can walk.

We all make mistakes, hopefully he walks away now and realises how close he was to a nasty knock, we all have a laugh and joke and take the p**s when sombody cocks up myself probably been one of the worst offenders at times, but when there new blood to the industry they should be shown the negative side of what can happen when it goes wrong. I use the account of my fathers accident in any training I carry out, I never read it out, I leave the class room for a smoke and let them read it themselves, to much for me to try tell that to a class of strangers even now after all this time. By all means if any body wants to take a copy off here and keep it in the van or where ever for there staff to read etc then take it, it may just stop sombody from that cut to far. How did you know my old man Logger?

No Problem Dave, I put it down on paper several years ago when carrying out inhouse training for a large utility arb company, a lot of the guys were brand new to the industry, it certainly pricks a few ears up to how dangerous this line of work is and how if your just slightly of your guard the **** can hit the fan big time. Jason

An Accident Short term and long term affects Date 4th of July 1980, time approximately 12pm that is the time when Alan Smith had a life changing experience. Set off to work on a clear fell site on a local estate in North Yorkshire, the day been no different to any other whilst they had been working on the site. Arrived on site at about 8am with two other contractors, general chat on every day things and previous days work, fuelled saws, picked out there area of work for the day and set off on there way into the wood for a days felling. The site was predominantly mature ash which was been cleared in some areas and thinned out in others depending on clients needs. It was for the majority of the time on a very steep bank leading to a small stream in the bottom of the woodland, access was from the hill top which in turn was about ¼ of a mile from a farm, the only access at the time was from the farm to the wood across several grassed fields. The trees on the steepest part of the slope were been felled and left in an uncut state to be winched out at a later time in the week, they had looked at this as been the safest option due to the severity of the slope to the stream and the size of timber. The average age of staff on site was 36 years old and all had a good 10years experience of dealing with these types of sites on a daily basis. At around 11.30am Alan started to fell some of the larger ash trees on the steep slope ready for extraction later on, whilst carrying what had generally always been a basic practice in felling trees, the tree he was working on Barber Chaired (trunk Split up the centre) this in turn caught him just below the rib cage and launched him upwards for approximately 10ft, on landing his legs became partially folded up his back and his right arm twisted violently out of its socket. The guy nearest to where he was working witnessed the whole incident and went to his aid, on realising the severity of the situation he then summonsed the other cutter over, now the drama of what had just happened kicked in, they had 18stone of man on a hill side in a critical condition and not the slightest idea how or what they could do. The second man took off across the field to raise the alarm at the farm ¼ of a mile away, on arrival at the farm there was no answer, he then made his way down to some farm workers cottages, and another ½ mile down the road where he finally managed to summons some emergency services. Ambulance arrived at the farm, and the next problem arises, how to get an LDV ambulance across a wet field. They had no option but to go back in the works truck that the chap had taken when going for assistance and use this to ferry Alan back to the ambulance. All the time this is going on the casualty has now slipped into shock with the injuries and pain and is heading towards, drifting into a coma. Once the casualty is loaded into the ambulance the nearest A&E is 30 miles away, the rescue crew decide that there only option now, for any chance of survival, is to try and get to the local army hospital in the near by army camp approximately 5miles away, this is instantly agreed by the army on route. On arrival at hospital Alan has now gone into a coma, two punctured lungs are causing massive problems for the Airways along with severe internal bruising and multi broken ribs plus the potential of head injuries. At about 3.30pm I was as per usual awaiting a lift from my Father home from school, he was always a bit later than he said, that was one of his traits, so when Peter one of his work staff pulled up that was no surprise, usually meant he was finishing a site some where. Peter told me he was running me and my brother down to the local hospital where my Mother was waiting with my younger sister, he explained Father had a bit of a bump with a tree and they had taken him into hospital. On arrival we were met by my Fathers Brother who took us of to a small side room on the intensive care ward, several minutes later my Mother arrived with a Doctor. To say she looked white was an understatement, I will never forget that look for the rest of my life, we were all sat down and the doctor explained the injuries and possibilities of my Fathers survival from the injuries incurred from the accident, basically the next 24hrs would be make or brake really and even if that was overcome the survival chances were slim with a strong possibility of severe brain damage and disablement. He stayed in a coma for another 4 months, on coming out of the coma he then picked up a flu virus due to his immune system been shot to bits, this resulted in him been rushed back to intensive care and having traxomitry carried out on his throat to aid his breathing (A pipe is inserted through the windpipe to aid the breathing due to swelling of the throat). With in twelve months he started to walk with the aid of a stick for short distances, his left arm became fully functional but the right arm which had been torn out of its socket became a lifeless limb that never functioned again. The internal injuries would shorten his life expectancy due to the trauma they had received. Depression then became the next obstacle to overcome, this entailed not sleeping, flashbacks to the accident, dreaming of a fully functioning body and waking to find your right arm is still paralysed. This took hold for over a year and came and went for the rest of his life. When something like this happens, you some how, after a time accept it and carry on, the two guys he worked with left the industry and moved away to different parts of the country, Father started up a small tree company again for which I worked along with my brother, this finished after a couple of years due to his worsening health and he finally passed away in 1998. Been the oldest of the family I had the main role of organising the Funeral along with my brother, I phoned around all his old friends past and present and the two guys who had been with him that day in the wood, and this is when it hits home, how long does an accident affect people involved ? The Bearers were arranged, all from his forestry days, most supporting some sort of old scar from there days in the woods, going from a leg missing down to a thumb missing. Working in forestry in the late sixties through to the late seventies, if you spent an average of 20yrs on the tools on average you would have three major accidents (sourced from the Timber Trades Journal 1979 found when clearing out the old saw shed at my Mothers). The last two people to contact were the two staff on site the day of the accident, after a few phone calls they were traced to Nottingham and Doncaster. I managed to contact the older of the two who informed me that he was still in contact with the other man on a regular basis. He agreed he would get in touch with him and phone back, several hours later and I received a call that brings home the devastation an accident causes not just to the casualty but to all those involved. They sent there condolences, but still could not forget the trauma of that day in 1980, they still felt at fault for the accident and dealing with the incident itself. There was no more they could of done on the day, but as they kept saying did they miss something, should they have left the work and gone about it another way, whose to know but these guys carry that emotional scarring around with them all the time. Break down of the accident So what went wrong on site, what was missing on site and what should have been there on site? No risk assessment ( never heard of, another 20 yrs before they would be common practice in small arb firms) No Method statement No emergency action plan or site brief on the morning of work ( worked together for years, Complacency) No first aid kit, just the usual bottle of water for dust in eyes and a few plasters for file cuts when sharpening saws No PPE worn, again small companies did not use it and what was on the market was next to useless to work in. No first aider on site No work instruction At the time of the accident such things as best practice were passed on from experience in older hands on site, AFAG, NPTC and other Governing bodies did not exist, even the likes of the Arboriculture Association were still in there infancy. Even at this stage health and safety was poor in relation to today’s standards, this was not through ignorance just lack of knowledge among the many in the industry. 2009 NPTC, AFAG, HSE, Arboriculture Association and LANTRA are all there now, giving relevant training, guidance and rules to aid us towards a safer work place. No excuse for having no risk assessment or emergency action plan on site, a team brief now should be second nature to a team leader to give out and no team member should start work with out a site brief. PPE in the last ten years far out exceeds anything from the past and only gets better as we move on, it is light comfy and useable in all types of tree work. No site would start work with out having a basic team first aid kit on site and at least one first aider if not multi first aiders on site. The equipment and procedures in place together with modern training in today’s work place should eliminate any potential of accidents on site. And finally does an accident affect you forever, whether the injured party or not? YES Daughter married in 1999, no father to give her away. First grandchild 2001, minus one Grandfather. Mothers 60th, celebrated as a widow. Still haunted by that hospital side room 4th July 1980. Married my wife in 2001, spare place at the top table. Grow up fast and learn to chuck a good right hander, end of the day your dads a cripple.