Rich Rule

A back scratcher, it’s great. 🤪 The shoulders are not as flexible as they used to be.

I actually said don’t call yourself a Subby as it clouds the waters and makes things tricky. Call yourself Freelance or a contract climber, anything but a Subby. Phone an insurance company and say you want to go out subbying, of course they are going to try and sell you a policy. You own a company and say you want to get some outside help in to assist with workload, does the policy cover subbies? They say no, subbies (Bona Fide) need there own policy. Back to the first point. It really isnt that difficult to see the difference. Myself and others tried to explain the scenarios to you which you refused to accept. As you knew better, it might have been the way in Aviation due to the amount of money involved. You crack on about UK law. Then a trained legal professional comments and you start telling them the way it is. People are trying to help but if you cannot accept or see that then fair enough. Anyway, Ive just jumped in the Fjord after a Christmas Sauna. Bloody hell it was cold and my nuts had an argument with my body as they didnt want any of it! Mary Christmas.

I started with fuckall and still have most of it left! 🤪🤪🤪

God Jul

The thing is you only ever really hear about the bad issues out there. If some one is happy with a brand or particular machine they don’t really shout about it. Plenty bash TW 230. I have used quite a few different ones. We have heard the stories but never experienced the issues myself. Plenty go on about the Forst, same again, I have used ST8’s pretty much solid or the last3 years. Owning one myself and one of the guys I work with a lot, has one. Neither has missed a beat and will pretty much out chip equivalent models on a daily basis. The main brand I have used and haven’t really had great experiences with have been Greenmech. But then they have been hire machines and not worth the cost of the diesel to run them, extremely slow at chipping and having to reverse the rollers a lot to get bit to go through. No doubt just because the feed rollers need touching up as they were hire machines. Take everything with a pinch of salt. Horses for courses really.

Looks 'Jen U Wine' to me.

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Oh him, Don't worry about Joe, we don't! Sorry Joe. Love ya really mate... just not in a Stubby / Khriss kind of way. Merry Christmas everyone.

Who is Joe?

Paddy, I think he was trying to help.

I thought you worked for a company?

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Doesn’t mean you don’t have to deal with it. Sometimes it’s like climbing a spiky hedgehog. I prefer it live tbh. It least it is flexible and the weight of the foliage helps you to peel it off the tree.

True, But I would want more than that.

Lot of Ivy. Pain in the arse. Whether you SRT over it or strip it in the way up. It is still a pain to deal with and to clear from the floor. 750 is cheap for that tree. IMO Where are you located?

Glad it is not just me. I just said I don't respond to threats now cancel the policy. They took a month for admin fees or some such bollox and refunded what was left in the year.

Trust are a bunch of barrow boys in my experience. When I tried to cancel my PL with them they said it was illegal and threatened to report me.

Over here I have my own insurance. It is a legal requirement of running an As company (ltd). My comments were in relation to when I worked In the Uk. My main gripe with people in the industry is they think they are wearing big boy boots when they call them selves a Subby climber. When in fact they are Labour only freelance in most cases. Tom put it so well. So have others in this thread. I mention it a lot of pages back... I was in the receiving end of having insurance that was worth fuckall. Because I was working under their instruction for a morning I was classed as Labour Only and therefore came under the Insurance of the main contractor. I think it is fairly obvious (unless Bona Fide) to not use the term Subby. It makes the muddy waters somewhat clearer.

lol Timmy was screwed from the time his parents decided to calm him that.

That isn't exactly what you said though mate. Look back at your first post in this thread and you said he needs PL Insurance. I agree, it has been a good thread with plenty of discussion. Which can and should benefit people in the position of the OP.

No it was the Are you a bona blog.

There is a blog entry by Tree Surgeon Insurance on this exact topic.

is it not the main contractors responsibility to ensure the person they have hired is suitably qualified and trained to do the task requested of him/her.? It certainly is in relation to an employed individual and as it states in the link Eggs posted and I highlighted, labour only are classed as employees and therefore the duty is to the main contractor to ensure they are insured to cover that. Which is what many in this thread have been saying from the start. No one is try to make you look stupid. The difference is in the definitions, which unfortunately you seem to be having trouble acknowledging.

See above quote. Seems pretty definitive to me. In response to Jamie Jones comments, they tried to crack down on employees working 5 days a week and being freelance. That happened a few year back. Due to the lack of unpaid employers NI rates and associated tax, plus Holiday pay, PPE and Pension. The only person scamming there is the employer.

Taken from the website Eggs posted a link to: What is a labour only subcontractor? Labour only subcontractors work fully under the direction of the contractor. They are provided the materials to work with; given detailed instructions of what to do, and then supervised; and have to comply with health and safety arranged for them. Under UK law, if you use a labour only subcontractor they count as your employee, and you as their employer take on the full risk of public, product and employers' liability. They must therefore be included in your employee insurance calculations even if they hold their own separate insurance policy, as this will not be valid under the terms of the work you have employed them for. The difference between labour only and bona fide subcontractors It is likely they are a bona fide subcontractor if: They are on a fixed-price contract irrespective of what is needed to get the job done They are on a service rather than employment contract They decide their own hours, and how, when and where to do the agreed work They work for other parties as well as the main contractor They are obliged to correct any quality issues at their own time and cost They can prove they have insurance for public liability They cover expenses for materials, tools, etc. used for the work They can employ additional assistance if needed, at their own cost Their earnings are at risk if they price the job incorrectly It is likely you employ a labour only subcontractor if: You pay the person hourly, weekly or monthly You can pay the person overtime or bonuses You supply the majority of their tools They do all the work required of them by themselves The main contractor directs them how, when, where and at what time they should do work They work a fixed number of hours The contractor can reassign them to another task