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Andrew I sympathise with you and appreciate your comments but …. I (probably like Matty) do not have the facilities/technology at hand to conduct a survey to the depth you obviously do. When asked by a customer to give a call on a Beech with meri I can only give a judgement based on the knowledge I have and the targets round the tree. If I was to say ‘there is a risk of failure but research is ongoing into the degree of risk and the tree should be left until we have a better understanding’ and the tree fell across a main road the following week could I defend my decision? I totally support what you are doing and trying to achieve, the primary reason I joined Arbtalk was to expand my knowledge, but (particularly in a domestic environment) I have to be able to stand by a judgment I give.
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Exactly - How many people actually know that? How many poeple have been fined for failing to do so? Have you ever seen a momber of the public repromanded for letting a tree be butchered? How many general public awareness campaigns are there? I know it will never happen, its just my pet gripe when people start to go on about educating the educated or regulating the regulated
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IC Not aimed at you in any way, just pointing out how easy anyone could become ISA Certified Arborist.
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Does not matter a u know what whatever we think; the only people who can effectively change the industry are the customers. Many of us will try to educate them, but too higher percentage is prices orientated and are largely free to do/employ as they see fit. Therefore to my mind the solution is to regulate the customer into having a duty of care to employ qualified contractors or become liable. We have enough bull to cope with
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Good luck and no disrespect but ........ For under £200 anyone can become Mr X ISA Certified Arborist. To Joe Public this will look very proffsional (better than my spelling ) but in reallity provides no proof that you can actually complete any practical task with competance. Think RFS have the practical aspect right, ISA the continual development right, neither got everything.
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Thanks Mike, thaught there was only goin to be me n JP with a good word for the 13/75. Will say one thing that applies to all, if you dont look after them right they will all end up chippin sh... A bit like puttin road tyres on a 4x4 and then complaining when u get stuck on a grass verge
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As above I think the ISA will go down better internationally Personal view is that RFS certification is far better to start with as you will need all the practical stuff to get full certification (exam alone is ABC level 2 cert arb backed by RFS) ISA then becomes better again for the long term because you need to keep doing CEU credids to prove continual prof. development
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M300/13 - £4K M300/15 - £4.5K 13/75 - £2.5K Value/£ ? Nothin against JB's but at them £ I would be comparing it against a s/h 6" machine. Also like I said if the 13/75 aint set well u may as well p in the wind so cant comment on your head to head. Money no object I would go JB 15, but value for money it would be the 13/75. Think there was one on ebay () that was as new for about £1500 the other night, dont know if its still there.
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Got one Got to be set up right and spend a few more mins snedding down then they are brilliant (throat size is only restriction). About to get 6/7" chipper but def will not be parting with 13/75, worth its weight in gold in the right place. Point re Jo-Beau - compare price vs price. The 13/75 is a lot cheaper. I have watched the 4" JB video and the 13/75 will process just as fast. The biggest advantage I can see with the JB is chip outlet height. Just my opinion Pay ur money, etc
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Just realised today when she who shall be obeyed downloaded emails Cheers (replyed to email with address etc) Richard
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Cerne Please dont take this the wrong way but being able to do ALL the rescues in a competent manner, not just the two you get on assesment, is to my mind essential. At the end of the day (but hopefully not) you could be talking about the poss of someone living or dieing depending upon your competence. Ask yourself if thats worth a few days wages?
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Think it goes by max tree size now, not times bar. eg mediun (32) up to 900mm diam or sometin like that.
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I agree that it would be good to have an option to do then all at one time. But as Bob says not a cat in hells chance on that time scale. Some people on these courses are sooooo bad you would not believe it. One thing i do think is that people should actually have to pass training to a given standard before they can apply for NPTC assesment. The assesments are limited but the trainers should have had enough of an insight into competance after spending several days, not hrs, with a candidate. Whatever, no system will ever make everyone happy
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What about someone who is fb xxl like me to start off with
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Did not think the question related to the validity of NPTC to proove competance, Ian just appeared to be asking for advice. It would take a fool to think some week long courses could proove competance, but people have to start somewhere dont they? Then again thats why its a public forum, so people can express constructive opinion which will hopefully benifit and help others, especially people like me who do not know everything.
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Why do 40? 39 gives you chainsaw from rope and harness, 40 combines 38/39 and basically how to do reductions (no more than theory IMHO). You still cannot sectionally fell/rigg down/block down a stem until you have 41. I would not waste money on 40, esp if you are doing some sort of theory qualification. Get chipper cert, only a day + ass (optional as AFAG 805 states training eg lantra but cert eg NPTC not required)
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I like trees but......my family needs food and a roof over thier heads. There is a thin line between ethics and survival
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Appart for the fact I didnt get a bevvy
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Plus you might have to go up a hill and get altitude sickness
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No power lines near ours (Newton Rigg - National School Forestry)
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Some interesting felling cuts demoed, bar that not a lot
