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Funny i was thinking the same when i read this thread

John will you ever agree with anyone lol ? Silage is a different ball game to chipping. I see how your drawing comparisons but in reality there isn't any. Contact some of these people and come out to site and see for yourself. Speak to people that operate these machines on a daily basis. We are only trying to give sound advice and save you from expensive mistakes.

I think Andy if you look back through the HSE incident lists it's nearly always the fire brigade that get the dubious task of aerial rescue. Dave - Try mountaineering organisations as their first aid courses include a roped rescue element that maybe could be adapted ?

Top secret mate, but yes some time getting my hands dirty

John i agree it is an over priced piece of rubbish, chipper is expensive, putting the crane on the chipper costs a fortune and th chip bin is way to small. Complete waste of time for biomass.

Dear lord ! The machine you refer to is for harvesting standard willow biomass and has a small stem diameter. Chip forwarders are best kept chipping that is why depending on distance they nearly always work with a chip shuttle as we have said before. A tractor trailer with high sides. The chip forwarder stops chipping for maybe 6 minutes while it tips. As I have said before terrain chiping (a chip forwarder) works well on clear fell but not in the woods. There you are best bringing the wood to roadside for chipping, even then you can chip with your chip forwarder and hightip into sand wagons or tractor trailers. Look at Alastair Beddels http://www.pracbrown.co.uk

LOL Jenkinsons are 50% AHS mate, cny new chip enquiries will be forwarded from Jenkinson to AHS. 18.00 is delivered in to Shotton. I'm not bias as AHS have made me redundant lol AHS is still your best option for getting money out of chip TBH.

I'd love to reply but my parents connection where i am is to slow to view the video ! Kesla make some nice kit but do bear in mind the market it is intended for.

What a fantastic little crane !! looks pretty strong for a 3 point linkage jobbie

You could use a tractor with forks or an excavator or telehandler to be you pulley anchor. The forces involved with pulling timber out of water usually aren't that great and your only talking about branches.

How high is the bank on the side the waste has to come out ?

No - If there are trees still standing which i presume there are as you say branches have been removed, set up one og your lowering pulleys in a tree ( about 10' back from the waters edge is poss) run your lowering rope (or other suitable line lol) through the block. One of you jump in the water in chest waders and timber hitch the butt end of the branches, reverse your 4x4 / tractor up to the pulley tree attatch rope and drive off slowly. Branch will be lifted clear of the water, the reverse slowly to drop the branch on the river bank. I have done this countless times, to lock off the rope use half hitches over the vehicles tow hitch. It is cheap and easy to set up, if you get more like this invest in a winch like Charlie suggested. I used to work on inland waterways and we did this all the time all be it with a 3 ton 360 on the rope. Best of luck, Matt.

Fight the good fight Craig Pete - 'semantics'

Chest waders, a snatch block up the tree and a vehicle with a rope is your cheapest option. Can you get a vehicle anywhere near ?

Surely it all comes down to cost ? When i worked for the LA we did refresher trainning every couple of years and got a certificate for it. If it's 100.00 a man for a day in the woods every two years for a refresher surely that's not a bad thing ? If the cost reflected the cost of the present NPTC units then of course it's going to be a huge stone around the small business's neck. TBH though i think most LA's have there own assesor for updates, we did anyway so the ongoing cost was small.

Heh Bob, when are you going to let me have all that timber in your yard Tries to convince Tonks to buy my old Mog but he wasn't having any of it lol Yours looks very smart !!

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I have an Advent and have had it for about 6 months now. I use it for everything, quotes, i tunes, google earth etc. No problems whatsoever.

Yep I think those of us in 'the know' all agree, sadly John you seem to be slightly blinkered and not taking this advice on board....hope it all works out for you !

Brasher is quite correct. Many many guys have got grant funding for chippers. The key thing is you must have a direct end user. I for instance could not get a grant for a chipper and then aggregate chip i.e. sell it to various parties all over the country. I apologize if i have come across as arrogant on this thread that was not my intention but i have been away and trying to type replies on my phone. I have been involved in this sector of the industry for many years both directly through my own business and as a Contracts Manager for one of the biggest chip suppliers int he country. The ONLY way to make wood chip from virgin timber work is either : - In conjunction with a conventional harvesting system where by either a sky line or harvester forwarder brings the timber to roadside. Timber in the round is then left to dry and chipped to order. - With a skyline system the brash is also bought to roadside where it can be chipped separately. - On a conventional harvester forwarder site where the brash is left on the forest floor only brash that has not been used for brash mats can be extracted to roadside and chipped. Often the client is encouraged to leave bigger tops. This is increasingly common place due tot he fall in chip wood demand since just before Christmas. - On clearance job whole trees are felled cut into sensible 20' or thereabouts lengths and extracted to roadside with a timber forwarder where is is stacked and chipped green. CHP plants such as Shotton will accept this material as the green levels are below 10-20%. - On some clearance sites whole trees are felled and left on the ground for 2-4 weeks before extraction to let the needles drop off. It is then extracted and chipped. I'm sorry renewable john but you will not make your plan work on brash, you simple will not get the production levels to make it pay. If you are dead set on chipping in the woods then invest in a tractor trailer chip shuttle with a high tip trailer. Extract the chip to roadside and tip the trailer in to large hooklift bins on the forest roads. This is the method of choice in scandanavia although they still tend to chip at roadside. Google ERJO or Bruks to see chip forwarders working in this way. You have to get this right first time or you will fail and it will be an expensive game to re-kit with better equipment. Only you know what your getting for your chip delivered in but i have a very good idea and you will not make it pay with your IBC bins. I hope this is a little more constructive than my previous posts !!

The bailer doesn't compress the brash. Then how do you think the bails leave the woods walk ? To much diesel is burnt making bails.

john what are you talking about ! You stick the brash on the forwarder bunk and drive out LOL. What are you after ? Harvesting residues or a knackered crop standing ?

Hi mate, that is a brash bailer. Tillhill run two by a sub_contractors and as i said before they are subsidised buy UPM. It is the ONLY way they can make it work. If you go to Scandanavia the only brash bailers still working are they ones subsidised by the giverment. The rest are rusting away. The brash bails in this country are taken to Shotton and chipped on site, usually containing stones and all sorts. Extracting the material to roadside and then chipping is the only way to make biomass profitable, It's best if used as a combined operation with conventional harvesting. There is not ewnough money paid at the top end to purchase standing material for processing into biomass chip. I to am not trying to knock you but i do have considerable exprience of this and deal with these issues on a daily basis. I have just lost a contract to Tillhill's brash bailers in N Wales purely because the are subsidised. - sawtooth - to say there is good money to be made by investing money in the equipment you suggest is extremley mis-leading.

By the sounds of it you'd be better off not bothering at all ! There is not enough value per ton to fanny around like you are proposing.