Climbing Kit, Loler and the Sole Trader, Whats the Point?

[stihlmadasever]

Without a doubt, if it has to be done it may as well be done right rather than a box ticking exercise. In reality I'll probably get mine done, might as well add another to the list of people standing with their hand out having just had to pay £142 for waste carrier registration, upper tier for arb in N.I.

 

Sod it, I'm going for a beer, purely medicinal, I need to de-stress.

Enjoy the weekend folks, all good replies :thumbup1:

 

Great thread mate cheers enjoy yur beer

[TIMON]

I 2nd that train of thought,arb specialist inspector always

 

 

Agreed. An inspection done by the forklift guy wouldn't be valid for a start.

The 3 day course is ARB specific.

[treequip]

my point was that we're considered competent for 6 months and then someone else is considered more competent and on what basis?

Nope, where did you get the more competent part? OK some are more technically savvy than others but the external inspection is also about an independent inspection

 

They've attended a 3 day course which as far as the actual checking goes is just the same as we've already been taught on CS38/39,

 

Is it ?

 

Regarding impartiality, can you take the LOLER course and assuming you pass then LOLER your own equipment?

 

The official word is that the inspector should be "sufficiently impartial" (along those lines)

 

If you can make the case for that, have at it. I can just about see it for an employee in a large company with inspection policies and such in play but as a one man band I would say its hard to argue impartiality.

 

I imagine the test in law for that would be that the inspector would need to be financially divorced from the process and free from fear of any repercussions of their actions

[Steve Bullman]

Few years back I was up a large Cedar tree and was in a position where a second climbing rope would be handy, so I called down and asked for one to be sent up. They sent me up one of their company ropes which had been lolered the day before by an independent inspector. The second I pulled the rope up I clocked the splice didn't look right....It was a blatantly obvious failure which should never have passed inspection

[TIMON]

That's all right though, it'd be the next day and his own responsibility.

 

 

I hope I'd never have to find that one out for myself. Can you insure your conscience? I don't think my professional indemnity policy covers that!

[TIMON]

Few years back I was up a large Cedar tree and was in a position where a second climbing rope would be handy, so I called down and asked for one to be sent up. They sent me up one of their company ropes which had been lolered the day before by an independent inspector. The second I pulled the rope up I clocked the splice didn't look right....It was a blatantly obvious failure which should never have passed inspection

 

 

I did my CS 41 rigging course not long after I passed my LOLER exams.

As the cs41 candidates were all using their own climbing kits on the course, the instructor checked everyone's kit before we set off for the woods. He pulled out a piece of eye to eye ocean polyester hitch cord from my bag which I had retired after LOLER ing my own kit. It was quite worn with a bit of fraying and some scorching on it. I told him I was sorry it was in my bag as it had been retired. He looked at it and said "it's just getting nice, now. Nothing wrong with that!"

I know that this particular instructor has done a lot of published, in depth testing and research into climbing and rigging ropes and their characteristics in terms of when, how and why they fail.

It helped to give me some perspective.

[nepia]

What is the point in taking it to a Loler inspector to have it checked on the 1st day of the 7th month when you've been deemed competent enough to do your own checks every time you used it during the preceding 6 months?

 

You'll probably find that keeping 'proper records' of inspection and records of 'independent professional inspection' are conditions of various insurances.

No records, no payout if you need it.

[stihlmadasever]

I did my CS 41 rigging course not long after I passed my LOLER exams.

As the cs41 candidates were all using their own climbing kits on the course, the instructor checked everyone's kit before we set off for the woods. He pulled out a piece of eye to eye ocean polyester hitch cord from my bag which I had retired after LOLER ing my own kit. It was quite worn with a bit of fraying and some scorching on it. I told him I was sorry it was in my bag as it had been retired. He looked at it and said "it's just getting nice, now. Nothing wrong with that!"

I know that this particular instructor has done a lot of published, in depth testing and research into climbing and rigging ropes and their characteristics in terms of when, how and why they fail.

It helped to give me some perspective.

 

So pass or fail is entirely at the discression/opinion of the individual inspector rather than an industry standard ?

[Marc]

So pass or fail is entirely at the discression/opinion of the individual inspector rather than an industry standard ?

 

Pretty much yeah, I've passed kit others would not and vice versa. We also have the same with our plant as we run 2 cranes, 2 avants, a large skidsteer, 3 excavators and a Telehandler all need LOLER. We use 3 different companies and some will fail one piece of plant where another passed it.

 

It's the same as an MOT, for 3 years my old 4x4 had an advisory for rattly roll bar bushes then one year it went somewhere else and not a mention of it but they picked up on other things the previous MOT Center didn't.

[Marc]

Weather you choose to do LOLER or not is your own risk management and up to your discretion, sadly we are behind as I am the LOLER inspector for our arb equipment, but I will not LOLER our crane lifting gear as I am not familiar with it, instead we retire it after a year and buy new for every contract.