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  1. This is another point and issue which reflects tree work, the rope runner is of course very suitable for its application only it will never achieve CE approval. There are currently a multitude of devices out there such as bulldog bone, akimbo, HH etc. None of which will ever reach CE approval as the standards are just not adequate for tree work. Even now it appears the RW CE is under review. It just feels the current guidelines, testing standards, PPE requirements and training standards no longer reflect the Arb industry. i enjoyed what felt like the hey day, where I could configure my equipment and build bespoke climbing systems for my needs, no two climbers where ever the same. Our ropes even come in a multitude of diameter, construction and colours, work positioning harness are plentiful especially if you take into account harnesses from other continents not currently available here. As an industry I am curious how many arborist there are compared to rope access technicians. From what I know of industrial access technicians their training is more in depth, and the equipment and techniques almost identical. I doubt you will find the multitude of colourful equipment and endless configurations as you do in the Arb sector. Jake this is my point you use non CE approved equipment, from your main climbing system you could argue to even your second system, and you mention using an ASAP that I doubt you or anyone on site has any specific training to use. The added complexities of two rope working in the Arb sector I just feel cannot be reasonably overcome, not any time soon.
  2. There is enough guidance in the PPE regs and LOLER on equipment selection. and no offence to Jake who is a competent climber I would just like to climb with him and see how he can implement two rope working into everyday working scenarios and as to why two ropes is a safer method? what ever way you look at it we are to blame for what is to come so we just need to improve how we operate and show the HSE that we are professional and that our methods of working are safe and appropriate.
  3. Can I ask what’s the point in confirming to WAH regs if straight away you are using equipment that is not fit for purpose? equipment compatibility and conformity is equally important in the WAH hierarchy and PPE in work equipment regs. i applaud your enthusiasm but we need to be opposing this as it is blatantly not workable to continue to enforce industrial regs upon our industry.
  4. Marc


    You’d be hard pushed to do it legally but when does that matter with ag 😂
  5. I don’t have all the answers, all I can say is we have to ignore how everyone else operates and do what’s right for us. I am in a privileged position my job is purely to price works, look at equipment investment and ensure I have the skilled staff to carry out the works I price, what I have found seems so logical to me yet to others it doesn’t. I have found if I pay more for kit and more for staff I can be cheaper than my competition and make more money, part of that is now due to we can compete on works out of reach of the less committed “do as you like” companies out there. The downside is I need volume of work to keep going and it becomes a huge issue of plate spinning, but that’s pretty much my job now for my MD, truth be told I reckon I am earning as much as him now and I can tell you that I pay some climbers more than me. But they will come and go, and I hopefully will remain as will the company I work for with a pension, and in time perhaps a stake in things. perspective needs to be in place. I also respect all those companies that compete against us we will always lose a few jobs to those that have fewer overheads and as long as they do good work I’m all for competitive environment, as all I want to see driving around is good tree care so thumbs up to all those that have a passion for it and continue to educate themselves.
  6. Pay well, What does that mean, I bought it up on another Arb based discussion, when I in a roundabout way suggested a level of pay the replies were I thought surprising, most seemed aghast at the thought of paying their staff more than they earn or so well for little responsibility. This concerned me, you owners are coming at this wrong, remember your business and reputation is built upon your staff, they will never own the asset that is your business but will be part of that asset, your pay may seemingly be less your efforts may seemingly be more in time spent stressing, but at the end of the day the business is ultimately yours so make them a part of it. I looked at arbjobs recently to get an idea of pay, and of those disclosing it offer 25-30k for experienced arbs with tickets are living in the past, and holding us back, imagine if the pay scale was £40-50k for a climbing arborist on the books would this attract more into our industry and a greater drive from them to be at the top of their game. or am I living in a dream world?
  7. Regarding changover of anchor point on DdRT I never fell neither did the countless others I worked with, we were continuously tied in, my point was more along the lines of the increased risk associated with DdRT even if extremely low, this risk is often eliminated with SRTWP once final tie in point has been reached there is no reason to unclip from your system from the entirety of the climb unlike DdRT where good positioning and desirable rope angles is not possible from a single anchor point. Where as SRTWP it is possible to make any point within the tree another anchor point often load sharing reducing strain and possibility of anchor point failure being reduced. To be completely honest, I was one of the biggest sceptics to start with when it comes to using SRTWP as an everyday work positioning system, now I’m of the opinion why is this not the standard go to choice when working the crown of a tree, the increase in safety, flexibility and ergonomic gain are hard to ignore. We need to promote the standardisation of SRTWP and crown access into the work place not imposing greater restrictions.
  8. I’m some scenarios I believe two rope working is possible to be employed effectively. However the complexities of working with 3 dimensional organic structures with varying levels of tree morphology makes employing two rope working at crown extremities unduly complex, complexity doesn’t increase safety. If we are going to make this a matter of justification in our risk assessments then you are already making the use of one rope acceptable in all situations, unless the competent arborist makes the dynamic risk assessment during the climb and sees the advantage to his worm positioning that a second line would provide. Also you cannot define what we call a moving rope systems (DdRT) or a stationary rope system (SRTWP) as either work positioning or rope access. Both systems utilise one rope, you could argue that a moving rope system (DdRT) only provides the ability to have one anchor point where as stationary a number of back-ups can be employed whilst working the canopy. When working DdRT I often had to reanchor during the climb this seas on average two times during a single climb, this meant making an anchor point change over during the climb, something I now avoid with SRTWP. also adding two ropes as a standard operating procedure will increase the complexities of aerial rescue in a tree work environment, having to find two anchors to provide a pick off rescue how would this be implemented? i understand the thought process, tree workers only utilise one primary line adding a second as is found in rope access does seem on paper a simple solution to reduce falls from height. Although having worked in this industry for a number of years with a number of very talented arborist this is not the solution, we need the ability to work crowns safely and smoothly a single primary allows us greater freedom of movement, more ergonomic efficiency and reduced complexity. More training and guidance is required as from my experience with accidents in arboriculture particularly falls it is complacency, inexperience and user error that are the root causes of accidents adding a second system is a short sighted solution fraught with issues.
  9. What I’m most interested in is how we can implement aerial rescue into this, the use of two anchors with two lots of rope to manage and install on a rescue would slow things down, but wait speed should not be an issue when it comes to safety? Again all of this is just thinking out loud until any guidance comes into practice we will continue as is. another point regarding utilities it could be argued that utilities operate differently from commercial arborist and may not always be presented with the access challenges we face on a regular basis so it is something that can be made a standard operating procedure.
  10. This is why we will have to wait for the next guidance and icop as I see no way we can work to that currently as we work in trees. as it stands it seems unworkable, those with time served industry experience can keep on saying it but the same reply comes back. I would be interested how Utilities are approaching this and meeting the above criteria and providing an increase in safety?
  11. Some other questions To keep us all working to the same parameter I assume Dd'RT working will also be classified as rope access? The rest of my questions really comes down to how this will be implemented in the revised icop and TG as until then I am only talking out loud. Issues of how can we classify working with Stationary Rope Technique and class it as rope access yet use a work positioning harnesses? Two ropes also would require two separate attachments points on your harness to really be in the spirit of it otherwise whats the point? And if its two sperate points one would have to be fall arrest as using two work positioning systems... well i hope you see my point. Again these are all things to be cleared up in time when the new guidance comes out which will take years and hopefully in the meantime we can rehroup rethink and maybe have another democratic process and approach the HSE again and review as its clear this is unworkable, it was unworkable 12 years ago its still unworkable now. Or as its been said i'm to old and irrelevant now and need to roll over and let the new generation of climbers put this into practice.
  12. Dragged myself back on here to grind my way through this reading, got to page 12 and skipped to pg33 so apologies if I missed some vital information but the first 12 pages seemed very repetitive. Anyway I have lots to add in time but first was curious about Lantra awards workbook that I now assume is scrapped as SRT is classed as rope access and not rope positioning? Will Lantra be working on a new workbook and be changing the aims and objectives to reflect the new HSE stance?
  13. I brick myself at the top of twelves! hust goes to show the variation in opinion and approach. I for one would never have them in our yard.
  14. Not used a set of ladders in over a decade so don’t see their relevance. what has been a game changer is tripods, we have a range of these now for pruning and hedge cutting.
  15. I struggle to find good staff, not keep them. I think Vesspian has a point help your team/employees out, go away on breaks, pay for training, keep a reasonable work load as in don’t beast your guys day in day out. We don’t pay the best rates either, in fact I consistently earned more else where when I freelanced. But as a company we always had work, good work, at a reasonable pace and always pay promptly on time no matter what. I would like to pay more, even match what some of our guys get else where but it’s not going to happen until rates overall improve. On another note, when I did freelance sorry if any of you guys are on here, but to pay me considerably more than your core regulars and treat me like some hot shot climber buying me coffees and treats doesn’t go down well with the rest of your team. As a counter to that, those that think they deserve more but aren’t willing to apply themselves unless they get it... you got that wrong too.


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