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[kevinjohnsonmbe]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:25, the village idiot said:

This is the future.

 

If we get it right the benefits will be immense.

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Is that not like, finding a solution to a problem of humankind's making, without really addressing the source of the problem....?

[the village idiot]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:36, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Is that not like, finding a solution to a problem of humankind's making, without really addressing the source of the problem....?

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How so?

[the village idiot]

If you mean population growth, that is a much more complex problem to solve.

Edited March 10, 2018 by the village idiot

[Richard 1234]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:31, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

http://farmsubsidy.openspending.org/GB/browse/
 
https://fullfact.org/economy/farming-subsidies-uk/
 
It ain't the man / woman with there hands on the tools that get the real money....

Are you sure that’s right Kevin? According to matey boy all farmers are worth at least a couple of million!

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:39, the village idiot said:

If you mean population growth, that is a much more complex problem to solve.

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Complex, for sure, but surely necessary.  At the point where it is recognised that the population has exceeded the capacity of the planet to sustain it....  

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:42, Richard 1234 said:

Are you sure that’s right Kevin? According to matey boy all farmers are worth at least a couple of million!

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That's exactly my point Richard.  There are hard working, tenant farmers, actually producing output... Who are at the muckiest end of the stick in the great subsidy give away.  The system is inherently flawed. 

 

 

[the village idiot]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:44, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Complex, for sure, but surely necessary.  At the point where it is recognised that the population has exceeded the capacity of the planet to sustain it....  

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Unfortunately most people aren't willing to make sacrifices to pass on a healthy planet to future generations. We need to be forced to do it.

 

Unfortunately this comes down to governments, and they don't want to deliver the bad news.

 

Countries will have to work together on this if we are to turn things around. This is the main reason why I find this nationalistic trend so depressing.

[Richard 1234]

  On 10/03/2018 at 20:47, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

That's exactly my point Richard.  There are hard working, tenant farmers, actually producing output... Who are at the muckiest end of the stick in the great subsidy give away.  The system is inherently flawed. 

 

 

It is wrong but it would completely fall apart(certainly for the small farms) at the moment without some protection.

 

Growing up we never were tenants thankfully. (well the bank could be seen as owner!) but that meant the best part of 30 years being poor (dad and grandad borrowed £400k in 1970) once it was paid for he was that fed up of it (grandad dead by that point too! close to losing it quite a few times) he sold 75% and things have obviously been fine since then. A long road though.

It probably makes not far off now money wise diversified and a lot smaller than “farming” it ever did. He’s mid 70s now but won’t dare to stop in case times get hard again (even though he doesn’t need any more money)

That’s why farmer bashing pisses me off (not aimed at you just in general)

[matelot]

  On 10/03/2018 at 18:01, WesD said:

Can you explain how the price of food would stay the same please?

 

Surely with less revenue in the form of subsidy it would have to make up on sale price. 

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What would happen to farmland prices if subsidies were reduced? Are they not likely to go down? Lower farmland prices are likely to mean new farmers would need less capital to start their farm.... What's an acre of arable land worth now? £10k an acre? You not think food would be cheaper if it was £2k an acre?

 

  On 10/03/2018 at 18:01, WesD said:

I think the problem with you matey boy boy is you have an I’m alright Jack attitude. 

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Really? I'm on here arguing to reduce farming subsidies. That's likely to reduce the value of the farmland/ forestry held by the family company... 

[Richard 1234]

  On 10/03/2018 at 21:03, matelot said:

Really? I'm on here arguing to reduce farming subsidies. That's likely to reduce the value of the farmland/ forestry held by the family company... 

I don’t think it would make any difference to land prices. People with mortgages could not afford to sell. Outright owners wouldn’t care.

 

To add it would be tenants that would be screwed again!

 

Besides that we are in the small uk. Not the states or Russia where land is plentiful