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[forestboy1978]

Nope I wasn't implying anything you just said I was implying. I'm not even sure, or have even thought the issue through, as to whether it is morally right, or neutral or what to take educated people from lesser privileged countries. As such I haven't involved myself in that specific debate. 

 

All I was saying is you were making an argument in defence for middle eastern education that was, upon investigation, a paradox to the reality of the way it was presented. That said, do I think they are all shit? Nope! I wouldn't have a clue, and in your defence I wouldn't entirely trust the accuracy of ANY polls from anywhere on any subject, including university ranking as they WILL be biased one way or another. You called it, so I called you on it!

 

However, with regard to immigrating educated people from these places, it's kinda moot, as I think outside the EU or outside UK most higher education courses require a conversion degree in the UK in order to practice professionally. This weeds out the "shit hole" universities from the "shit hole" countries. To coin a phrase "allegedly" uttered by Trump. Though yes I can believe he said it. 

Edited March 2, 2018 by forestboy1978

[WesD]

4 minutes ago, forestboy1978 said:

Nope I wasn't implying anything you just said I was implying. I'm not even sure, or have even thought the issue through, as to whether it is morally right, or neutral or what to take educated people from lesser privileged countries. As such I haven't involved myself in that specific debate. 

Again like I was trying to explain yesterday it’s more like morally neutral as we aren’t taking them per se they are choosing to come for first and foremost the money just like matey boy did when he worked in the Middle East for more money, the boy is a hypocrit. 

4 minutes ago, forestboy1978 said:

 

All I was saying is you were making an argument in defence for middle eastern education that was, upon investigation, a paradox to the reality of the way it was presented. That said, do I think they are all shit? Nope! I wouldn't have a clue, and in your defence I wouldn't entirely trust the accuracy of ANY polls from anywhere on any subject, including university ranking as they WILL be biased one way or another. You called it, so I called you on it!

 

Thats fine however ever if they are shit so are the universities outside the top 20% for the same reasons that they are. I don’t think they would be shit but I concede they aren’t going to be as good as ours, that said their quals are still good enough to work here. 

4 minutes ago, forestboy1978 said:

However, with regard to immigrating educated people from these places, it's kinda moot, as I think outside the EU or outside UK most higher education courses require a conversion degree in the UK in order to practice professionally. This weeds out the "shit hole" universities from the "shit hole" countries. To coin a phrase "allegedly" uttered by Trump. Though yes I can believe he said it. 

Yes and that’s fair enough but they are passing the conversion courses on the foundations in place from said universities. 

[matelot]

20 minutes ago, WesD said:

 

The fact still remains they have 100 universities globally positioned in the top 20%.

You still haven't proved that... I don't think there are any Middle Eastern universities in the world's top 100 universities... Why is that? 

 

[WesD]

Just now, matelot said:

You still haven't proved that... I don't think there are any Middle Eastern universities in the world's top 100 universities... Why is that? 

 

There you go again bending narratives. 

 

Answer my question and I’ll break the maths down for you. 

 

Did you go go to one of our as you class them top universities? Basically any uni within the UK?

[matelot]

6 minutes ago, WesD said:

 

Did you go go to one of our as you class them top universities? Basically any uni within the UK?

I studied at three UK universities...

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, matelot said:

I studied at three UK universities...

Do you know what a straight answer is?

[forestboy1978]

4 minutes ago, WesD said:

Again like I was trying to explain yesterday it’s more like morally neutral as we aren’t taking them per se they are choosing to come for first and foremost the money just like matey boy did when he worked in the Middle East for more money, the boy is a hypocrit. 

 

Thats fine however ever if they are shit so are the universities outside the top 20% for the same reasons that they are. I don’t think they would be shit but I concede they aren’t going to be as good as ours, that said their quals are still good enough to work here. 

Yes and that’s fair enough but they are passing the conversion courses on the foundations in place from said universities. 

We're going round in circles but yeah I don't dispute any of that really.

 

I was merely pointing out that the statistic you provided, of middle east having 100 uni's in the top 20% not only wasn't proof of anything good, it was evidence that the middle east is doing diabolically educationally. That is the crux of it and that was the point I was trying to make. If you're going to argue with someone and present data then you want to be sure that data is in favour of your argument, not against it.

 

There are 17000+ uni's world wide. 20% = 3400

 

there are 194 countries in the world

15 in the middle east (number changes now and then)

 

So....

 

100/194 x 15 = 7.7% 

 

So basically that means that despite the middle east being 7.7% of the world out of the 3400 universities in the top 20% they could only field 100 which is terrible. 

 

I know have a headache lol

 

 

[WesD]

15 minutes ago, matelot said:

I studied at three UK universities...

The top 100 universities within the Middle East rank within the top 1959 globally. 

 

There are 11,998 universities ranked globally. 

 

1959/11998*100

=16.32%

 

you should be embarrassed if you cant do basic math but studied at 3 universities the you class as some of the best in the world. 

 

Leg work matey boy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mull]

Incredible, the amount of time and research that is going into the debates on this thread, and to what end?
But, what the hell, it’s good fun.
Though maybe the thread title should be changed to ‘How important is your cyber ego to you today?’
Keep it up guys, six peoples opinions might change Britain or the World even, but I feckin doubt it.

[WesD]

5 minutes ago, forestboy1978 said:

We're going round in circles but yeah I don't dispute any of that really.

 

I was merely pointing out that the statistic you provided, of middle east having 100 uni's in the top 20% not only wasn't proof of anything good, it was evidence that the middle east is doing diabolically educationally. That is the crux of it and that was the point I was trying to make. If you're going to argue with someone and present data then you want to be sure that data is in favour of your argument, not against it.

 

There are 17000+ uni's world wide. 20% = 3400

 

there are 194 countries in the world

15 in the middle east (number changes now and then)

 

So....

 

100/194 x 15 = 7.7% 

 

So basically that means that despite the middle east being 7.7% of the world out of the 3400 universities in the top 20% they could only field 100 which is terrible. 

 

I know have a headache lol

 

 

We are really as I’m not disputing what your saying but the fact remains with the data provided by the global rankings they still do have 100 universities in the top 20% well 16% to be specific globally. 

 

Their uni’s are still good enough to provide doctors and other skilled profession to a nation that is supposed to be streets ahead in the league tables. So its not all bad is it. 

 

Again we have sort of side tracked each other (enjoyed it to be fair like I said earlier I have no problem debating with someone who can concentrate for longer than 1 sentence) my response was to justify that matey boy needs to think and do some research before spouting shite. 

 

I have said it in the past with him, his basic principle is not far off from the right direction he just embarrasses others who agree with his sort of standing. 

 

Annoying also is the fact he “likes” everything your coming back with because your doing the leg work he cant, sort of, as in our instance we are both right. 

 

Needless to say would you work abroad for more money yet disagree with others doing the same in the opposite direction? Probably not, you seem like you have more about you.