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[matelot]

6 minutes ago, MattyF said:

Really 99.99 % ?? I think that’s more the number of people on here who disagree with you .
I guess drought , famine, exploitation from the arms industry recently and apartheid colonisation and more exploitation in the past had nothing to do with being able to have a stable environment for growing and providing food for the population continually exploited by richer nations.

Yeah, some good points there. It's well known that when the White Man left Rhodesia he stole all the rain clouds and that's why Rhodesia collpased under black rule. 

 

Yeah, you continue to lie to yourself if it makes you feel better.

[WesD]

On a lighter not I drove past a couple of homeless chaps close to home and thought no we can’t have that! Not around here! I went back and told them to jump in, dropped them off in bolton. 

[MattyF]

And continuing to ignore our legacy’s of the past and present in Africa......your lying to your self if you think it has nothing to do with the mess it’s created and been caused by it.

[matelot]

2 minutes ago, MattyF said:

And continuing to ignore our legacy’s of the past and present in Africa......your lying to your self if you think it has nothing to do with the mess it’s created and been caused by it.

What I find funny about this discussion is it's people like you that are coming out with the amazingly racist statements. You think Africans can't make a success of their countries because 200 years ago some africans sold other africans as slaves... Do you really think Africans are that inferior?

 

Anyone that gives money to Oxfam is basically saying that Africa is literally a charity case and they can't look after themselves. That's textbook racism. 

 

 

 

 

[MattyF]

I’m not saying that but it was hardly a stable start when other countries where growing ...I’m saying it’s being exploited now by the arms trade and for its natural resources with no concern for the population, creating civil war is an ideal smoke screen for illegal business which a lot of is conducted by the British.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

16 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

It's a mistake to think that the West can turn around the fortunes of a continent between 1984 and now.

 

These things take time, many generations.

 

The situations in many parts of the developing world are improving. International aid is a huge factor in this.

 

Is it all directed and used in the best possible way? Undoubtedly not, but this doesn't make aid a bad thing.

 

There are organisations springing up like the effective altruism movement. They use science and good research to inform us where best to give money to make the most possible real difference.

 

Have a Google of Will MacAskill if you are interested.

Almost lost my Sauvignon Blanc through nasal passages at the "Oh my God" exclam... Pythonesque comedy! 

 

The prospect of continuing to pump billions £s into systemically, inherently, culturally corrupt nations is the work of the certifiably insane.  

 

To suggest it may take decades to fix (and that patience might be the key) is to ignore the inevitable, inexorable slash & burn and resultant desertification which is compounding the situation quicker than any £s can keep up.

 

Without addressing the potential for the mass evacuation of areas that do not have the capacity to sustain human life (and the population growth which is accelerated by infant mortality rates and then further compounded by religious objection to birth control) is to bury ones head in the ever expanding sand...

 

 

 

    

[MattyF]

I’ve said nothing on oxfam ... Take off the VAT and call it charity ! It’s all a scam .., shit I said some thing... any way I’m done with this thread ...again.

[scotspine1]

9 minutes ago, matelot said:

Anyone that gives money to Oxfam is basically saying that Africa is literally a charity case and they can't look after themselves. That's textbook racism.

Dambisa Moyo the Zambian economist wrote a book about that subject a few years ago. 

 

 

 

[matelot]

7 minutes ago, MattyF said:

I’m not saying that but it was hardly a stable start when other countries where growing ...I’m saying it’s being exploited now by the arms trade and for its natural resources with no concern for the population, creating civil war is an ideal smoke screen for illegal business which a lot of is conducted by the British.

Let's look at some twentieth century history:

 

1. Japan nuked by Americans.

2. East Europe throws of communist rule.

3. Vietnam has vicious civil war.

4. Korea has civil war.

5. Japan nuked second time by Americans.

6. Germany destroyed in WW2.

 

All these countries have had a bad time but are now doing OK. Yet you come out with some unbelievable racist comments that Africans can't build succesful countries because 200 years ago they had slavery. You're now saying that Africans can't help killing each other if Western powers sell them arms? Do you know how racist you sound?

 

Shame on you! 

[MattyF]

Can you read ?