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[5thelement]

29 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

True but that looked like jobs for the boys, was it £35 billion ish spunked on a useless private company when the nhs could have provided a better service for less money. They already had a track and trace system in place.

 

I appreciate the info from all of the above on the id card stuff. It looks like its inevitable which lets be honest, its going to happen globally at some point. I dont understand the argument that it will cut down on illegal immigration, how will it?  And people who use cash in hand employees will continue to do so ID card or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is inevitable, if every prick roles over and accepts it like they did with Covid. 

[Mesterh]

I didnt do the track and trace stuff. 

Is it still here?

I remember all the conspiracy theories back then, this is how we are going to live, you wont be able to do this that or the other without a jab. We will be in and out of lockdown forever. That didnt age well now did it.

 

 

[BillQ]

8 hours ago, Johnsond said:

If you think I’ll struggle maybe keep it simple, I’m happy to give you every opportunity to explain to the forum not just myself how you see this working👍👍 convince me 

 

4 hours ago, Johnsond said:

No it’s what I said !! 
So no explanation then it would seem. 

That's the problem, a couple of days back, seems like a lifetime, you got totally lost when I quoted you and got all het up thinking I said it when it was your words. Just a bit of preamble to set the scene. 

 

Right, ID cards and why the government are introducing them. Here's a screenshot of the reason, as you seem to like a screenshot...

 

the important part is "to work in the UK " not as you said (this is your quote)...

 

"So all of us who live here legally already with NI numbers and multiple forms of Verifiable ID being mandated to carry digital identification will stop those crossing the channel “illegally”  "

 

Can you see the difference? 

[daveatdave]

it won't take long for them to make forgeries for the rubber boat people  

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

 

That's the problem, a couple of days back, seems like a lifetime, you got totally lost when I quoted you and got all het up thinking I said it when it was your words. Just a bit of preamble to set the scene. 

 

Right, ID cards and why the government are introducing them. Here's a screenshot of the reason, as you seem to like a screenshot...

 

the important part is "to work in the UK " not as you said (this is your quote)...

 

"So all of us who live here legally already with NI numbers and multiple forms of Verifiable ID being mandated to carry digital identification will stop those crossing the channel “illegally”  "

 

Can you see the difference? 

To quote another member “ Obfuscation “ alert ‼️ 

Care to explain how you see this actually working. I’ll try again eh seeing as you are struggling. 
So you are now saying it’s actually to stop them working once here and not actually deter illegal cross border immigration 🤷‍♂️ 

Are you that naive to believe that those hiring or working illegally won’t continue to do so. 

Edited September 26 by Johnsond

[BillQ]

7 hours ago, Johnsond said:

To quote another member “ Obfuscation “ alert ‼️ 

Care to explain how you see this actually working. I’ll try again eh seeing as you are struggling. 
So you are now saying it’s actually to stop them working once here and not actually deter illegal cross border immigration 🤷‍♂️ 

Are you that naive to believe that those hiring or working illegally won’t continue to do so. 

I knew I shouldn't have started. 

No I'm not saying it's to stop illegal working, its the government saying that. 

It is part of the government's strategy to stop or slow down illegal migration, it isn't a stand alone strategy. Start with making it harder for people to get employment and the uk is not a good place to go to for those who want to exploit the system, on top of that I'm sure that the laws around employers who have illegal workers will be tightened. This will have a knock on effect meaning less opportunity for criminal activities such as tax evasion and money laundering and human trafficking. 

 

I'm trying to show you how I see it, however you are the one putting up incorrect statements and barriers saying "how will it work?" 

No obfuscation, I have said from the start I want to make it as clear as possible for you. 

[JLA1990]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

I knew I shouldn't have started. 

No I'm not saying it's to stop illegal working, its the government saying that. 

It is part of the government's strategy to stop or slow down illegal migration, it isn't a stand alone strategy. Start with making it harder for people to get employment and the uk is not a good place to go to for those who want to exploit the system, on top of that I'm sure that the laws around employers who have illegal workers will be tightened. This will have a knock on effect meaning less opportunity for criminal activities such as tax evasion and money laundering and human trafficking. 

 

I'm trying to show you how I see it, however you are the one putting up incorrect statements and barriers saying "how will it work?" 

No obfuscation, I have said from the start I want to make it as clear as possible for you. 

I’m trying to understand how it will do anything different than the NI number and anti fraud checks already in place. At best it’s a red herring to make it look like something’s being done, at worst it’s another way of mandating something which will later be exploited (legislation/law already in place will make it easier to impose future control/restrictions. 
 

Eager to learn - am I missing something? 

[Mark Bolam]

Well I’m not going to get one.

 

I will just use my brother’s.

[Mick Dempsey]

If you are really interested  in stopping the gubmint from controlling and monitoring your life then it’s not id cards you need to worry about, they de facto exist anyway, it’s cash.

 

Use it whenever possible, make sure shops realise they need to keep taking it oryou will go to ones that do.

 

Without cash they can track you and shut you down remotely at the press of a button for wrongthink.

 

 

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, BillQ said:

I knew I shouldn't have started. 

No I'm not saying it's to stop illegal working, its the government saying that. 

It is part of the government's strategy to stop or slow down illegal migration, it isn't a stand alone strategy. Start with making it harder for people to get employment and the uk is not a good place to go to for those who want to exploit the system, on top of that I'm sure that the laws around employers who have illegal workers will be tightened. This will have a knock on effect meaning less opportunity for criminal activities such as tax evasion and money laundering and human trafficking. 

 

I'm trying to show you how I see it, however you are the one putting up incorrect statements and barriers saying "how will it work?" 

No obfuscation, I have said from the start I want to make it as clear as possible for you. 

“How will it work” that’s not a barrier or an incorrect statement it’s called a question !!. Admittedly I know you and a couple of others tend to struggle big time when asked such inconsiderate things. 
Anyway it looks like you are genuinely “ that naive”  if you think digital identity will do anything for illegal immigration. Quite surprising seeing as you claim to be an FAC holder, anyone who has spent years jumping through the ever moving hoops will know fine well in 

any cases the only ones effected by onerous regulations are the law abiding citizens whom already play by the rules. 

2 hours ago, BillQ said:

have said from the start I want to make it as clear as possible for you. 

An  incorrect statement, like the question about me asking where I requested personal information you will write a book rather than just give a straight answer. How is that coming along by the way.