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[tree-fancier123]

11 hours ago, NJA said:

Going back to the original topic, you can't deny Kirk had very strong principles, he was so definite in what he believed in and was very happy to discuss why he had that view and what backed it up, which I think is what has made America such a strong economy.

so if Christian values and principles are what made America such a strong economy, how do you explain the rise of the Chinese economy? China now have a greater share of the EV market than Tesla in europe

In August 2025, China-based BYD captured a 1.1% market share in the European Union's new car registrations, while Tesla held 0.7%.

My view is that it is not Christian values or principles that have built the US economy, but hardworking inventors and entrepreneurs

Henry Ford 

Alexander Graham Bell

Larry Page (google)

Musk (SpaceX, Paypal , Tesla)

Steve Jobs

Jeff Bezos

Samuel Morse (telgraph)

Thomas Edison (phonograph, light bulb)

 

while some may have been driven by faith (Christian principles and values), it's hard to know what percentage. At least some of them were athiests

Steve Jobs had a lifelong spiritual journey marked by an adoption of Zen Buddhism following a trip to India, which heavily influenced his philosophy of simplicity and focus, though he remained interested in other beliefs and was known to express uncertainty about the afterlife. He was not deeply religious in a conventional sense but was a practitioner of Zen Buddhism and was interested in the spiritual teachings of figures like Neem Karoli Baba.  

 

Larry Page was not raised with a particular religion, despite his mother having a Jewish background. He was raised in a secular home where his father's belief that technology was a form of religion was more influential than any established faith. 

 

Elon Musk describes his religious identity as a "cultural Christian", while also stating that he follows the "religion of curiosity". He has also identified himself as "Jewish by association" and has spoken about attending a Jewish preschool. While not a formal member of any religious institution, he has expressed appreciation for Christian traditions and philosophy.

Jeff Bezos does not publicly identify with any particular religion and has not discussed his religious beliefs in public. While his father's family was Baptist, Bezos himself has not publicly shared his own religious views. 

Edited September 13 by tree-fancier123

[Mesterh]

10 hours ago, NJA said:

Thats a big question, why not watch that video I posted, good place to start answering your question.

I was asking as as was interested in your opinion but it's not that important so don't worry about it.

[sime42]

12 hours ago, Whoppa Choppa said:

 

Bullshit 

[Steven P]

Yup, if you look at the map (below for handy reference), you will see Israel surrounded by its friendly neighbours. Never had any trouble between any of them, there would be peace in the region...

 

 

[sime42]

This is a good discussion of the wider picture, if anyone is interested. 

 

Charlie Kirk shooting: another grim milestone in America’s long and increasingly dangerous story of political violence

THECONVERSATION.COM

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Increasing polarisation and a lack of measured debate is fuelling violence in a nation awash with guns.

 

 

For reference: I'd consider myself to be atheist, (on the milder end of the scale), and yet I possess a strong moral compass and principles.

 

 

[Mike Hill]

Any photoshop experts in here?

 

Can't tell if its real.

 

[JLA1990]

2 hours ago, sime42 said:

This is a good discussion of the wider picture, if anyone is interested. 

 

Charlie Kirk shooting: another grim milestone in America’s long and increasingly dangerous story of political violence

THECONVERSATION.COM

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Increasing polarisation and a lack of measured debate is fuelling violence in a nation awash with guns.

 

 

For reference: I'd consider myself to be atheist, (on the milder end of the scale), and yet I possess a strong moral compass and principles.

 

 

It is a good article however slightly undermines its point by introducing Charlie Kirk as a “figurehead of the far right”. Further echoes impartiality by only referencing far right actions (especially

given the current climate) but its key three points I feel are bang on the money! 

[Mike Hill]

The last three paragraphs made sense,however it like so many other articles  forgets the mass riots and murders by BLM and ANTIFA.

 

 

[Steve Bullman]

Well Elon Musk didn't pull any punches in his litle slot did he 😂

[Mark J]

29 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Well Elon Musk didn't pull any punches in his litle slot did he 😂

3 months since he said Trump was in the Epstein files.