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[tree-fancier123]

7 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Do you not want to ask why ?? Rather than what particular type of weapon. Somewhat like the stabbing to death epidemic we see on UK streets. 

well now you're putting it like that it becomes patently obvious the issue is far too complex for someone like me to even begin to understand, so off the net for me and back to simple manual tasks

[Steven P]

59 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

The shooter was a felon,thus prohibited from owning guns by federal law.

 

The news I was reading this morning said they thought he was legally allowed to own guns

[Stubby]

I have some guns . .308 , .22 ,  12g .410 and I have never tried to shoot anyone , at all , ever .

[Mike Hill]

4 minutes ago, carlos said:

so are you saying weapon type  makes no difference to the death toll in mass shootings?

 

Can you define a mass shooting?

 

I would say that weapon type is a factor,just like the level of firearms competence by the offender is a factor.

 

Bolt action repeating rifles are more deadly with regards to hit probability than semi automatics. In many cases hunting type rifles are also faster to reload.

[carlos]

16 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Its so ingrained into them. I met a friend at the Baltimore expo a few years back. He was an avid shooter and always carried. As Maryland had a no carry law he drove half way across the states rather than fly purely so he could take his gun with him.

 

Its a different world over there.

i guess it just becomes normal, but then do people use them much?

would of thought one would get bored carrying it around.

[Steven P]

23 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Firearms owners tend to be the most law abiding citizens in society. That is fact. Not liking a particular model or type of firearm is just the crap you have been fed and absorbed. 

 

If you look up gun murders by country, the US tops the league from what I would consider the stable countries of the world - places like El Salvadore and so on, less stable have more per head of population.

 

The second link is limited in scope but shows compared to comparable nations gun ownership vs gun deaths as a handy chart.

 

If you want my opinion, the more of anything legally owned in society will be mirrored by those illegally owned in the case of guns and so on.

 

 

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

How the number of guns compares to gun deaths in the US - Vox

WWW.VOX.COM

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The US has lots of gun violence. It also has lots of guns.

 

[Steven P]

I'll put my 'however' as a separate comment... we can argue the nuances of gun ownership, criminality, types of gun and so on, they are 2 opinions and I don't think any amount of words would convince any of us to change our minds. End of the day though, Trump was shot at, like Marmite, love or not, he should be safe doing his job.

[Steven P]

8 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

 

Can you define a mass shooting?

 

 

 

 

I think it was defined as something like 3 or 4 victims within a set space of time (walk into a school like they enjoy doing and shoot many people = mass shooting, shoot 1 person a month over a year = not a mass shooting, just a mass murderer)

[Youngstu]

Legality of guns used in mass shootings in USA:

Mass shootings in the U.S.: legality of weapons 2023 | Statista

WWW.STATISTA.COM

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100 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and December 2023 involved weapons which were obtained...

 

[dan blocker]

4 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

My impression is Trumps support of pro gun mob is to help gain votes.

It is relevant that he's now been on the receiving end. A hunting rifle or self defence pistol us one thing, but the rapid fire weapons some NRA morons would gladly sell the public, the only good thing about them is the manufacturing and sales jobs they create 

Trump is probably still alive because it was an assault rifle and the others killed and injured. If the shooter was using a hunting rifle Trump would probably now be dead?