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[5thelement]

6 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Remember the criteria.

 

No pro-EU affiliation.

 

Can only be points that can be directly and solely attributing evidence that Brexit was a detriment and that no other factors such as Covid or Ukraine can be a contributing factor. 

Where did this criteria shit come from?

I asked you a simple question, give me a list of benefits from Brexit to the UK economy, I didn’t ask for spurious links or put criteria in place, just a simple question, person to person, give me some examples that YOU know of, you can’t as I can’t, it’s that simple.

[trigger_andy]

2 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

When I've had a list from you that isn’t directly from Tory Government pages, non Brexiteer affiliated and doesn’t include any factors that can hide behind Covid or Ukraine as a contributing factor.

So we agree it’s an utterly pointless exercise then? It all comes down to a political perspective and nothing more. You weight it heavily on Brexit and I the factors at hand. 
 

Regardless, we’re all fecked. Be it the U.K, EU, USA or globally. Im working in Brazil right now, inflation through the roof. Even here Ukraine is used as the reason for all the counties problems.

[5thelement]

2 minutes ago, Big J said:

I would be looking at the various independent sources that have studied the effects of Brexit, which seem to be (in a great majority) negative.

There are lots of them too J, but what’s the point in posting them here?

[trigger_andy]

2 minutes ago, Big J said:

There wasn't a post Brexit, pre covid period. They overlapped. There was a post Brexit vote, pre covid period. Maybe I'm just being pedantic.

Between the period of Article 50 being signed and the outbreak of Covid Germanys economy was in a far worse shape than the UK’s. As you well know because we’ve discussed this previously. This was also the period where the doom mongers had the exact opposite predicted. So yes, you’re being pedantic. 

[trigger_andy]

3 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

There are lots of them too J, but what’s the point in posting them here?

Exactly 

[trigger_andy]

Out of interest why does no one go after Norway and Switzerland for not being in the EU? They are aligned but not full members, neither are on the EU flag or currency. They are both prosperous countries doing rather well for themselves. Why is emulating them not seen as a viable option for the U.K.?

[trigger_andy]

2 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

OK, that as the case may be.....

 

The UKs economy is being widely reported as performing worst of any developed nation in the world. All other countries are dealing with the ramifications of covid and Ukraine, but only the UK has Brexit too.

 

Correlation isn't necessarily causation but perhaps in this case it is? 

 

The difficulty is that you are shielded from the economic effects of Brexit because your income is principally drawn from overseas work. For most people in the UK, this isn't the case. 

 

Now, as an outsider looking in, all I see is the systematic and systemic removal of benefits and support that was once taken for granted, whilst the tax burden shoots up. Some people will scarcely notice (you being one, I guess) but most will. 

I don’t work in an EU country though. And I’m  not shielded from HMRC either. 
 

Inflation in Norway is over 10% yet I only received a 4.2% pay increase. In effect a 6% pay cut and an even higher tax burden in the U.K. 

 

 

 

[GarethM]

Well they aren't going to argue or kick off with either countries.

 

Norway has half the gas supply and Switzerland has the money and gold.

[trigger_andy]

3 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

A ten second Google search suggested 7.5% for Norway, which is a lot lower than the UK. I don't think either of these numbers are truly reflective of the situation though. 

Ok, I concede that point. 
 

 

[trigger_andy]

6 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

It's 9.3% here in Sweden, down from 9.7% the previous month. 

 

The difference is that the cost of living crisis isn't really talked about, with the notable exception of electricity. I think that people aren't as close to the bread line here. Maybe it's better hidden though. Who knows!

So Norway being a non-EU country has a far lower rate of inflation than its neighbouring EU member? 
 

It’s almost as if inflation is not Brexit related. 🤣
 

Or rather, having a low/lower rate of inflation within Europe is not contingent on being in the EU. 

Edited November 23, 2022 by trigger_andy