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[Silverhooker]

BREXIT now there is a word I haven't heard for ages.... what did it mean again ??

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

4 hours ago, Silverhooker said:

BREXIT now there is a word I haven't heard for ages.... what did it mean again ??

Blue passports, pounds sterling, and “fish” - according to James OBrrxit ?

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Blue passports, pounds sterling, and “fish” - according to James OBrrxit ?

He's painful at times, talk about a champagne socialist. Brought up by millionaire foster parents and thinks he can tell folk about the working class.

[Billhook]

9 hours ago, Silverhooker said:

BREXIT now there is a word I haven't heard for ages.... what did it mean again ??

It means that 50% of people disagree with the other 50%, bit like this forum!

[Mark J]

Tory MP Mark Francois tells head of the army to overhaul defence or Dominic Cummings will ‘sort you out’

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Tory MP Mark Francois has warned the UK's most senior army general that Dominic Cummings will “sort you out his own...

A military coup would be just the ticket, before Godzilla rocks up in August.

 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Mark J

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Like (probably) all public sector finances, Defence procurement is, and for a long time, Has been a complete disgrace. 
 

1 thing that absolutely does need to happen - for the sake of taxpayer VfM - is that military personnel stationed in major cities should be available to support police as special constabulary.
 

Whilst currently there is the long established protocol of military aid to the civil community, this is only ever utilised as a very last resort and at the point where ‘other agencies’ are forced to acknowledge that they are overwhelmed. Hence the reluctance to admit defeat and ask for help.  
 

There is a fundamental barrier to accepting this type of thinking by military, civil service, police and government heads of sheds because they are all too precious about their own tribal silos. 
 

Of course there are elements of ‘presentation’ that need to be addressed -particularly in relation to law and order issues (not so much flood relief, Olympic security, foot & mouth, fire service strikes (quite a long list actually)  - we’re not a banana republic after all. 
 

Current events with police in retreat from a baying mob however....  1000 military personnel in a reduced special constable role would soon put paid to the sort of mob rule that has been evident of late. 
 

Let the coppers do the arrest / investigate / charge business as usual but give them some support in numbers so that they can stand their ground and provide order. 

[openspaceman]

9 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Current events with police in retreat from a baying mob however....  1000 military personnel in a reduced special constable role would soon put paid to the sort of mob rule that has been evident of late.

Would they be issued with brown shirts too?

[eggsarascal]

16 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Like (probably) all public sector finances, Defence procurement is, and for a long time, Has been a complete disgrace. 
 

1 thing that absolutely does need to happen - for the sake of taxpayer VfM - is that military personnel stationed in major cities should be available to support police as special constabulary.
 

Whilst currently there is the long established protocol of military aid to the civil community, this is only ever utilised as a very last resort and at the point where ‘other agencies’ are forced to acknowledge that they are overwhelmed. Hence the reluctance to admit defeat and ask for help.  
 

There is a fundamental barrier to accepting this type of thinking by military, civil service, police and government heads of sheds because they are all too precious about their own tribal silos. 
 

Of course there are elements of ‘presentation’ that need to be addressed -particularly in relation to law and order issues (not so much flood relief, Olympic security, foot & mouth, fire service strikes (quite a long list actually)  - we’re not a banana republic after all. 
 

Current events with police in retreat from a baying mob however....  1000 military personnel in a reduced special constable role would soon put paid to the sort of mob rule that has been evident of late. 
 

Let the coppers do the arrest / investigate / charge business as usual but give them some support in numbers so that they can stand their ground and provide order. 

Bollox, don't do away with thousands of police officers and there would be no need to bring the military in. You can keep the military doing what they should be doing, and that isn't policing the streets.

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 hours ago, openspaceman said:

Would they be issued with brown shirts too?

 

3 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

Bollox, don't do away with thousands of police officers and there would be no need to bring the military in. You can keep the military doing what they should be doing, and that isn't policing the streets.

 

 

You’ve both completely missed the f point - for different reasons. 
 

Having separate and distinct silos of public sector, all with (maybe) enough resource to manage ‘normal’ circumstances and with additional capacity to surge (to a degree) when required, whilst sitting idle through lengthy periods of inactivity is a luxury the tax payer should not be expected to finance - nor should they tolerate the burden. 
 

An example of such combined output is the tri service responder - part fire, part ambulance, part PCSO.  A single bod in a medium sized vehicle - agile, adaptable, VfM. 
 

It’s taken generations to get that far, all the while whilst fire service, for example, have such generous terms and conditions to allow them regular second jobs and sleep whilst on duty. 

The military, generally, has high tempo high intensity periods of warfare punctuated by decades of relative inactivity. 
 

After Labour’s great balls up of the economy and Tory austerity it’s time for a different approach to the spending of tax payers money and if it takes the likes of Dominic Cummings to force change through them system’ (and the thick skulls of the public that keep slaving to meet the tax burden) then I for one wish him all the best. It’ll be an uphill struggle against entrenched resistance to chance. 
 

Oh, and as for ‘brown shirts’, no, they’d need to be blue uniform so as not to upset the hard of thinking. ??

 

[openspaceman]

24 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Oh, and as for ‘brown shirts’, no, they’d need to be blue uniform so as not to upset the hard of thinking. ??

Oh so not even black and tan?