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[Sutton]

5 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 he still has a lot of contacts who would pass him, or at least show him or discuss with him classified infomation.

So, a retired 75 year old man leaks proof to back up a conspiracy theory. He claims he has seen a document and because of his past associations, you say you want to hear more?

Good job Trump is only 73 and refuses to read any documents.

The thing about being in your 70s is everything starts to leak uncontrollably ?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Sutton said:

So, a retired 75 year old man leaks proof to back up a conspiracy theory. He claims he has seen a document and because of his past associations, you say you want to hear more?

Good job Trump is only 73 and refuses to read any documents.

The thing about being in your 70s is everything starts to leak uncontrollably ?

Well, you're free to scoff. Thats certainly your right. Others should be free to carefully consider his words. 

 

If your opinion is that anyone over 70 should keep their mouths shut as their opinion and knowledge is no longer valid then more fool you. In fact the more you share your opinions the more that becomes apparent. 

[Sutton]

If we freely share our opinions then our foolishness reduces because others will show us our errors. It's called democracy.
Of course, if you think only opinions of retired or retarded 70+ year olds is important for us to understand what's going on then explain please why

[The avantgardener]

17 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

No, as I said his comments would have to be weighted for worthiness. His past position as the head of M16. He has, in my opinion, earned a degree of respect and his comments should be treated as such. 

 

Im not saying thats 100% whats happening. But I dont think its beyond the realms of impossibility he still has a lot of contacts who would pass him, or at least show him or discuss with him classified infomation. 

 

I dont know if his claims are true. Id certainly consider them with the respect due to someone who held the position he previously did. I think Trump ignores almost everything told to him by men and women in their relevant senior Military, Intelligence or security Position. What Trump does or not do has no bearing here.  

So a retired MI6 guy knows more than the US Secret Services?

His colleagues are breaching the Official Secret Act by discussing damning sensitivite material with him so he can go public, I doubt it.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Sutton said:

If we freely share our opinions then our foolishness reduces because others will show us our errors. It's called democracy.
Of course, if you think only opinions of retired or retarded 70+ year olds is important for us to understand what's going on then explain please why

Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it. 

 

If you dont think that someone who is 70 years old has anything to offer society in ways of knowledge and wisdom then I'm sorry, but Im not going to spoon feed you as to why. Im certainly not saying all 70 year olds should automaticly been taken at face value. But when they have had such a distinguished career then yes, I feel they deserve to at least have they're words considered. 

[Sutton]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it.

So we should accept and trust what we're told and never question?

Should we suck it up passively like the trad silent majority?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Sutton said:

So we should accept and trust what we're told and never question?

Should we suck it up passively like the trad silent majority?

Read my previous posts and then read what you've just written. Maybe have someone read them for you? But then think carefully about how little sense your comments make.  

[trigger_andy]

7 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

So a retired MI6 guy knows more than the US Secret Services?

His colleagues are breaching the Official Secret Act by discussing damning sensitivite material with him so he can go public, I doubt it.

What? Where did I even remotely state such a thing?

 

You may very well doubt it. Personally I think its quite naive to believe that its not a distinct possibility. There has been a plethora of leaks to the media on both sides of the Pond within the last few years. Is it so far fetched to think that leaking something like this to someone who held such a high rank and has the respect of many? I dont think so. But again, Im not saying its whats happened, but I think he deserves to be heard and not told to shut his mouth because he cant wave a document in front of the camera. I think you have a clear prejudice against him and its clouding your judgement somewhat. 

 

Its like reading an opinion from mark J on the Tories, you know damn well there will be no objectivity in his thoughts and reasoning's. It will be nothing other than hate and bile.  

[The avantgardener]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

What? Where did I even remotely state such a thing?

 

You may very well doubt it. Personally I think its quite naive to believe that its not a distinct possibility. There has been a plethora of leaks to the media on both sides of the Pond within the last few years. Is it so far fetched to think that leaking something like this to someone who held such a high rank and has the respect of many? I dont think so. But again, Im not saying its whats happened, but I think he deserves to be heard and not told to shut his mouth because he cant wave a document in front of the camera. I think you have a clear prejudice against him and its clouding your judgement somewhat. 

 

Its like reading an opinion from mark J on the Tories, you know damn well there will be no objectivity in his thoughts and reasoning's. It will be nothing other than hate and bile.  

I have absolutely nothing against this man, but if you are going to go public with such massive claims surely you must have the means to back it up, if not, why even make the statement, unless you are just shit stirring?

[Richard 1234]

28 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

So a retired MI6 guy knows more than the US Secret Services?

His colleagues are breaching the Official Secret Act by discussing damning sensitivite material with him so he can go public, I doubt it.

I doubt they are breaking the secrets act due to him still being bound to it. He would have had the highest clearance level. 
unless you think by retiring he can just shout everything he’s ever learned while working for them?