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[Mike Hill]

25 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Open your PC, look at the video, ignore confirmation bias, think for yourself.

 

Eh?

 

 

[Johnsond]

50 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Noting of course that the officer who shot was the only one who thought she was threatening life - only one out of them all to be aiming at her.

 

He of course had time, and space to choose another spot to shoot at, the SUV tyres are decent sized targets if he was determined to shoot at her. He didn't go for alternatives, he went for the lethal shot.

What an utter load of leftard shite from a man with zero military, police or firearms experience but spouting off like a firearm and tactical genius  , shoot the tyres you reckon 🤷‍♂️you bloody idiot, stick to watching action movies. 
Time and space you say !! Couple of seconds to make a decision that could cost him his life. he was the one officer in front of the car she was instructed to stop, probably as has been stated a wise thing to do would be to to comply with the verbal instructions given by the armed police on the scene, had she done so she would still be alive . As usual you are giving an opinion after the event influenced by  your life in a safe office and your stinking leftard ideology somewhat like the bastards prosecuting lads for things that happened years ago in NI. 
Very tellingly  you are more outraged by this than the many other murders and rapes we see on our own soil committed by people whom shouldn’t even be here. 

[Johnsond]

59 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

 

Eh?

 

 

It’s very simple Mike 

Armed police tell you to stop, you choose to ignore them and continue driving the car towards or close to an officer 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️it’s the USA, the rules of engagement and attitude to pulling the trigger is way different to the UK. when you hear people say he had time or he could have shot the tyres out you know you are dealing with idiots. 
 

 

[tree-fancier123]

it would be a shame if the immigrants arranged a sniper attack on the ICE agents - would make things even more nasty than they already are

[Mesterh]

16 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

when you hear people say he had time or he could have shot the tyres out you know you are dealing with idiots. 
 

 

He literally stepped out of the way then shot her brains out, I think he had enough time. If he hadnt of shot her he wouldnt have been ran over. Shooting her didnt save him from injury now did it? If not stopping for an ICE agent is justification for getting killed then the USA is a shite place to live in IMO. Besides they were telling her to get out of the way just before they told her to get out of the car. Mixed messages with people in combat gear pointing guns at you and trying to drag you out of a car will make people panic.

 

I know that over here its a very different state of affairs but with your military training what would you have done in that situation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Johnsond]

31 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

I know that over here its a very different state of affairs but with your military training what would you have done in that situation?

I’ve no idea, I wasn’t there I didn’t see the buildup or what happened prior to the incident or hear the verbal interaction or commands given, plus we all react differently to varying levels of stress and danger. 
He presumably knows the rules of engagement better than any of us and bear in mind the “ stand your ground “ principle. 
You can’t get away from the fact had she complied she'd still be alive. 
Looks like he tried the non lethal method previously. 
 

The federal agent who shot and killed a driver in Minneapolis is an Iraq War veteran who has served for nearly two decades in the Border Patrol and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, according to records obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

Jonathan Ross, who shot and killed Renee Good on Wednesday, has served as a deportation officer with ICE since 2015, records show. He was seriously injured last summer when he was dragged by the vehicle of a fleeing suspect whom he shot with a stun gun.

Federal officials have not named the officer who shot Good, a 37-year-old mother who was shot as she tried to drive away from federal agents. But Homeland Secretary Kristi Noem said the agent who shot Good had been dragged by a vehicle last June, and a department spokesperson confirmed Noem was referring to the Bloomington, Minnesota, case in which documents identified the injured officer as Ross.

Noem and other Trump administration officials have defended the agent as an experienced law enforcement professional who followed his training and shot Good after he believed she was trying to run him or other agents over with her vehicle. Video has raised questions about whether the shooting was in self-defense, and the FBI is investigating the deadly use of force. Some protesters are demanding that Ross face criminal charges, and Minnesota authorities also want to investigate.

Attempts to reach Ross, 43, at phone numbers and email addresses associated with him were not immediately successful.

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Here are some things to know about him:

Experienced military and law enforcement officer

In courtroom testimony last month, Ross said he deployed to Iraq from 2004 to 2005 with the Indiana National Guard. Ross said he served as a machine gunner on a gun truck as part of a combat patrol team.

He said he returned from Iraq in 2005, went to college and joined the Border Patrol in 2007 near El Paso, Texas. He worked there until 2015, serving as a field intelligence agent gathering and analyzing information on cartels and drug and human smuggling.

Ross said he has served as a deportation officer based in Minnesota since he joined ICE in 2015. He is assigned to fugitive operations, seeking to arrest “higher value targets” in the ICE region that includes Minneapolis, he testified last month. He said that he was also a team leader with the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force.

“So I develop the targets, create a target package, surveillance, and then develop a plan to execute the arrest warrant,” he said.

Ross said that he was also a firearms instructor, an active shooter instructor, a field intelligence officer and member of the SWAT team. He said that he attended the Border Patrol’s academy in New Mexico, where he learned to speak Spanish.

Seriously injured last June

Ross was a leader of a team of agents who went to arrest a man who was in the U.S. illegally in the Minneapolis suburb of Bloomington on June 17. Agents had gathered outside the home of the man, Roberto Munoz-Guatemala, who left in his car, according to court records.

FBI agents activated emergency sirens and lights instructing him to pull over but he did not. Ross pulled his vehicle diagonally in front of Munoz-Guatemala to force him to stop.

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Ross and an FBI agent identified themselves as police and pointed guns at Munoz-Guatemala, who raised his hands. Ross then approached Munoz-Guatemala’s vehicle and ordered him to put it in park.

Ross told the driver to lower his window all the way down and warned that he would break it if he did not. Ross used a device known as a “spring-loaded window punch” to break the rear driver’s side window and reached inside the car to unlock the driver’s door.

Munoz-Guatemela drove off while Ross’ arm was caught in the vehicle and accelerated, dragging Ross down the street. Ross fired his Taser, striking Munoz-Guatemala with prongs in the head, face and shoulder.

Munoz-Guatemela was not incapacitated by the Taser, prosecutors said, and kept driving, taking Ross the length of a football field in 12 seconds. Ross was knocked free from the vehicle by force after Munoz-Guatemala drove onto a curb for a second time and back to the street.

Ross’ right arm was bleeding, and an FBI agent applied a tourniquet. Eventually, he received dozens of stitches at a hospital. Prosecutors said he had “suffered multiple large cuts, and abrasions to his knee, elbow, and face.”

“It was pretty excruciating pain,” Ross testified.

Munoz-Guatemela was bleeding from his injuries and had a woman call 911, saying that he was assaulted and didn’t know whether the person trying to stop him was an officer. He was arrested and charged with assault on a federal officer with a dangerous or deadly weapon.

A jury found Munoz-Guatemala guilty at a trial last month, finding he “should reasonably have known that Jonathan Ross was a law enforcement officer and not a private citizen attempting to assault him.”

Federal officials defend the agent without identifying him

Vice President JD Vance praised the agent's service to the country Thursday without naming him, saying the ICE officer “deserves a debt of gratitude.”

“This is a guy who’s actually done a very, very important job for the United States of America,” Vance said. “He’s been assaulted. He’s been attacked. He’s been injured because of it.”

DHS assistant Tricia McLaughlin declined to confirm the agent's identity Thursday, saying doing so would be dangerous for the safety of him and his family. But she noted that he had been selected for ICE’s special response team, which includes a 30-hour tryout and additional training on specialized skills such as breaching techniques, perimeter control, hostage rescue and firearms.

“He acted according to his training,” she said. “This officer is a longtime ICE officer who has been serving his country his entire life.”

 

Related:

• Minneapolis protesters vent their outrage after an ICE officer kills a woman

Edited 7 hours ago by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

35 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

If not stopping for an ICE agent is justification for getting killed then the USA is a shite place to live in IMO

That may well be the case but it’s irrelevant. 

[sime42]

3 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Says a man whom supported a party that condoned mutilating children and supported the theory that a double rapist could be a woman just because he said so “ pure deluded sick fantasy”
Old Sturgeon and the rotten to  the core weak  leftard ideology of the SNP you vote for time after time. 
Luckily for you I’m pretty sure you  don’t live in the USA or have any connections with it. 
Look at the past 18 years of decline if you want to see what ****************ed is closer to home and a bit more relevant. 

 

Eh?

 

 

[Mesterh]

13 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

I’ve no idea, I wasn’t there I didn’t see the buildup or what happened prior to the incident or hear the verbal interaction or commands given, plus we all react differently to varying levels of stress and danger. 
He presumably knows the rules of engagement better than any of us and bear in mind the “ stand your ground “ principle. 
You can’t get away from the fact had she complied she'd still be alive. 

Ok fair enough you weren't there. It didnt look like a tinderbox situation, the agent was videoing her on his phone so he couldnt have thought that it was a dangerous situation. But with your military training surely you were trained to know how to deal with a situation like that? You run in front of a car and they try to drive away from you at like 2 mph they arent a suspected terrorist and they aren't waving any weapons do you step to one side and take a note of their registration plate or do you shoot them in the head?

 

There are loads of videos showing the build up to the event

 

You cant get away from the fact that if he hadnt shot her she would still be alive and so would he.

 

 

 

[Mesterh]

15 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

That may well be the case but it’s irrelevant. 

How so?