Making the news today....

[AHPP]

I don't wake up shaking with fear that today's the day the kitchen tap might burst. I have a spanner though. There's a difference between being rattling paranoid and keeping a spanner.

 

It's an individual rights thing. I champion your right to wrestle a man in a coffee shop with a screwdriver if you want to. I champion your right to shoot him if you want to. Why won't you respect my right to not want to wrestle him?

[tree-fancier123]

if being allowed to legally carry a pistol is the most important thing in your life it is possible to emigrate to one of many countries that allow this

of course once you made the effort it would then be necessary to go out looking for trouble to get your money's worth

[5thelement]

18 minutes ago, AHPP said:

I don't wake up shaking with fear that today's the day the kitchen tap might burst. I have a spanner though. There's a difference between being rattling paranoid and keeping a spanner.

 

It's an individual rights thing. I champion your right to wrestle a man in a coffee shop with a screwdriver if you want to. I champion your right to shoot him if you want to. Why won't you respect my right to not want to wrestle him?

Because he might wrestle the gun off you because you bottle it, or you just wing him, then he shoots me or the kids with it. 
Yeah, cheers Alex, thanks for being there. 👍

[AHPP]

26 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

There are many gun owners on here, some of them will have had handguns before the ban, probably not happy about it, yet I don’t think any of them have agreed with you about allowing the general public in the UK to arm themselves with handguns, why do you think that is?

 

Probably because they're worried about looking like gun-toting nutters because that's how the other side of the debate wants to frame them. I'm not worried about that because I know I can debate civilly. And because I'm doing the heavy lifting of arguing my side of the matter anyway (broadly speaking - the argument has more than two sides).

 

The ones that disagree with me, I think are wrong for probably the same reasons I think other people (you, Steven, markie, Matty, Bolam from memory) are wrong.

 

More later. It's an important debate but lunch and my power steering are also important.

[AHPP]

24 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

Because he might wrestle the gun off you because you bottle it, or you just wing him, then he shoots me or the kids with it. 
Yeah, cheers Alex, thanks for being there. 👍

 

What if what if what if. What if you tackle him, he wins and now he's buoyed by his victory and decides everyone else is getting it? What if what if what if.

 

The eighty five year old woman from the news article I posted is behind you in the queue. What for her without her gun now? What if what if what if.

Edited 5 hours ago by AHPP

[Steven P]

12 minutes ago, AHPP said:

The ones that disagree with me, I think are wrong for probably the same reasons I think other people (you, Steven, markie, Matty, Bolam from memory) are wrong.

 

Likewise, I think you are also wrong - but that's what we get when 2 people able to think discuss things from different sides of the argument, rational discussion which is nice to see. Appreciating the civility.

 

Likewise lunch here shortly, can resume later, though a bit minging out there today - my job is routing cycle cables in a new frame rather than cars.

[openspaceman]

26 minutes ago, AHPP said:

(you, Steven, markie, Matty, Bolam from memory)

Me too Alex, don't miss me out 

[AHPP]

11 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

Me too Alex, don't miss me out 

 

And probably Mick. Make the list as long as you like. A long list of wrong people is still a list of wrong people.

[5thelement]

55 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

Probably because they're worried about looking like gun-toting nutters because that's how the other side of the debate wants to frame them. I'm not worried about that because I know I can debate civilly. And because I'm doing the heavy lifting of arguing my side of the matter anyway (broadly speaking - the argument has more than two sides).

 

The ones that disagree with me, I think are wrong for probably the same reasons I think other people (you, Steven, markie, Matty, Bolam from memory) are wrong.

 

More later. It's an important debate but lunch and my power steering are also important.

Or more likely, it’s because you are wrong and no one needs a handgun to do the weekly shop. 

[5thelement]

1 hour ago, AHPP said:

More later. It's an important debate but lunch and my power steering are also important

You watch your back out there Alex, you know how dangerous Greggs can be at this time of day.