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[BillQ]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

Only recently, go check out population increase since @ 1800 from 10M to 50M in 1950, that was us getting on with it plus some migrants necessary for the industrial revolution to increase our coffers. We filled this land. 

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, benefits and job prospects are.

How can you possibly know that for every single migrant? 

Let's take Syria for example. Over 200 000 extrajudicial killings (23 000+ kids and 12 000 + women just let that sink in a bit) major benefits for Syrian refugees is staying above ground. 96K enforced disappearances 15k+ deaths under torture! Barrel bombs, cluster bombs, chemical weapons...

Its repeated the world round in various ways, if you are gay/lesbian, Christian/Hindu/Muslim...etc etc 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

major benefits for Syrian refugees is staying above ground.

not true, many Syrians have crossed in small boats from France - a safe country.

[AHPP]

Safe maybe. 
 

 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

not true, many Syrians have crossed in small boats from France - a safe country.

 

And before Brexit they would have been assessed in France, the UK - along with the rest of the EU - agreements to return to them to the first safe place... and that agreement was torn up then.

[Mark J]

4 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

^ Migrants aren't stealing the housing. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mark J

[AHPP]

13 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

there are lots of immigrants arriving in England, meaning the available land has to support more people, not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy. Those places with less people, property is much cheaper . Surely without legal and illegal immigration England too would have less thriving economy, but also lower property prices?  Rural places in Europe where the young move to cities or abroad for work, thats where the property is cheap. Supply and demand

 

5 hours ago, BillQ said:

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

 

4 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

 

Supply and demand is a factor but a tiny one. It's not even the icing on the cake. It's some sprinkly bits. It would be the major factor on a level playing field but we don't have a level playing field. Fiat money has ruined the playing field. We could have half the population here and land will keep sliding towards people who already own some. They're playing Monopoly. 

 

Good point about places like Italy. Not sure what's going on there. Will ponder.

Edited 4 hours ago by AHPP

[tree-fancier123]

22 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Migrants aren't stealing the housing. 

I never used the word steal, occupy is enough. 

Those migrants granted asylum end up in bricks and mortar. Houses and flats occupied by foreign  people. So if a spaceship hoovered up all the foreigners in an ethical and painless way there would be a load of empty properties

[sime42]

9 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

I never used the word steal, occupy is enough. 

Those migrants granted asylum end up in bricks and mortar. Houses and flats occupied by foreign  people. So if a spaceship hoovered up all the foreigners in an ethical and painless way there would be a load of empty properties

 

Do you believe that house prices would then drop following that little bit of housework?

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

10 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

Do you believe that house prices would then drop following that little bit of housework?

 

 

even a more severe covid would have done the same, say if 2 million pensioners had snuffed it - all those bungalows hitting the market at once

[AHPP]

6 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

all those bungalows hitting the market at once

 

Which would be bought by landlords.