Making the news today....

[tree-fancier123]

my old man was a machine operator for a while and later prison officer, they were buying nice houses in their mid to late twenties on average incomes, you didnt need planning because there were affordable older houses with big gardens. Unlike today where building plots are .25 acre and the finished build with postage stamp lawn is half a million.

So many relying on bank of mum and dad, because immigrants pushed up housing costs.

House price to income in seventies and eighties probably averaged four times, its about 8 now

[AHPP]

Immigrants is an almost complete non sequitur. They're an annoying drip from a torn umbrella. The rain is the problem. Immigrants didn't take us off the gold standard. That was the death knell. We weren't as far round the curve on the graph in the 70s as we are now. Imagine what it'll look like as the curve gets curvier. 8:1. Pffft. See how 80:1 feels.

[tree-fancier123]

there are lots of immigrants arriving in England, meaning the available land has to support more people, not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy. Those places with less people, property is much cheaper . Surely without legal and illegal immigration England too would have less thriving economy, but also lower property prices?  Rural places in Europe where the young move to cities or abroad for work, thats where the property is cheap. Supply and demand

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

[sime42]

Now we're getting to the crux of the matter. 

 

"So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas."

 

30000 << legal migrants granted work and study visas. 

 

But still, immigration has very little to do with the overinflated housing market in the UK. 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

major benefits for Syrian refugees is staying above ground.

not true, many Syrians have crossed in small boats from France - a safe country.

[AHPP]

Safe maybe. 
 

 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

not true, many Syrians have crossed in small boats from France - a safe country.

 

And before Brexit they would have been assessed in France, the UK - along with the rest of the EU - agreements to return to them to the first safe place... and that agreement was torn up then.

[Mark J]

4 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

^ Migrants aren't stealing the housing. 

Edited August 27 by Mark J

[AHPP]

13 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

there are lots of immigrants arriving in England, meaning the available land has to support more people, not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy. Those places with less people, property is much cheaper . Surely without legal and illegal immigration England too would have less thriving economy, but also lower property prices?  Rural places in Europe where the young move to cities or abroad for work, thats where the property is cheap. Supply and demand

 

5 hours ago, BillQ said:

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

 

4 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

 

Supply and demand is a factor but a tiny one. It's not even the icing on the cake. It's some sprinkly bits. It would be the major factor on a level playing field but we don't have a level playing field. Fiat money has ruined the playing field. We could have half the population here and land will keep sliding towards people who already own some. They're playing Monopoly. 

 

Good point about places like Italy. Not sure what's going on there. Will ponder.

Edited August 27 by AHPP