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[AHPP]

Immigrants is an almost complete non sequitur. They're an annoying drip from a torn umbrella. The rain is the problem. Immigrants didn't take us off the gold standard. That was the death knell. We weren't as far round the curve on the graph in the 70s as we are now. Imagine what it'll look like as the curve gets curvier. 8:1. Pffft. See how 80:1 feels.

[tree-fancier123]

there are lots of immigrants arriving in England, meaning the available land has to support more people, not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy. Those places with less people, property is much cheaper . Surely without legal and illegal immigration England too would have less thriving economy, but also lower property prices?  Rural places in Europe where the young move to cities or abroad for work, thats where the property is cheap. Supply and demand

[BillQ]

8 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

So many relying on bank of mum and dad, because immigrants pushed up housing costs.

No, not having that! I pushed them up somehow in the 80's. 

We had a new build (social housing) 2 bed end terrace of 3 houses in 85/6, £18 900, we sold it two years later for £38 000, the house building trade took off for 5 years until supply outstripped demand and building almost stopped but prices didn't. 

[BillQ]

8 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

.... not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy....

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

[sime42]

Now we're getting to the crux of the matter. 

 

"So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas."

 

30000 << legal migrants granted work and study visas. 

 

But still, immigration has very little to do with the overinflated housing market in the UK. 

[BillQ]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

Only recently, go check out population increase since @ 1800 from 10M to 50M in 1950, that was us getting on with it plus some migrants necessary for the industrial revolution to increase our coffers. We filled this land. 

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, benefits and job prospects are.

How can you possibly know that for every single migrant? 

Let's take Syria for example. Over 200 000 extrajudicial killings (23 000+ kids and 12 000 + women just let that sink in a bit) major benefits for Syrian refugees is staying above ground. 96K enforced disappearances 15k+ deaths under torture! Barrel bombs, cluster bombs, chemical weapons...

Its repeated the world round in various ways, if you are gay/lesbian, Christian/Hindu/Muslim...etc etc 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

major benefits for Syrian refugees is staying above ground.

not true, many Syrians have crossed in small boats from France - a safe country.

[AHPP]

Safe maybe. 
 

 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

not true, many Syrians have crossed in small boats from France - a safe country.

 

And before Brexit they would have been assessed in France, the UK - along with the rest of the EU - agreements to return to them to the first safe place... and that agreement was torn up then.