Making the news today....

[Sutton]

On 10/06/2020 at 00:17, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It’s just the way it is.

[Youngstu]

2 hours ago, donnk said:

The Pakistan government is increasingly silencing critical voices of journalists and activists under the pretext of national security. Enforced disappearances, extrajudicial killings, and torture take place with impunity, while security forces exercise undue political influence over civilian authorities. Blasphemy-related violence against religious minorities, fostered in part by government persecution and discriminatory laws, is frequent. Authorities have failed to establish adequate protection or accountability for abuses against women and girls, including “honour” killings and forced marriage. Over 490 people have been executed since the government ended an unofficial ban on the death penalty in late 2014.

 

But yes your right its our fault for ceasing British Rule in 1947.

 

2 hours ago, donnk said:

Then another paragon , Bangladesh who top the world in only one area.

 

Child Marriage.

 

Yup you got it, our fault again probably.

And we and our governments, the UN etc should be stamping up and down and making a fuss about both of these examples, imposing sanctions etc, but should we really be involved with trying to directly change the powers to ones of our liking? Does it ever really work? 

 

These countries came into being after the British left, but are these problems because we left or did the British being there in the first place contribute to the tensions and issues that have lead to these problems?

Do you think the British should have stayed in power in India and not returned power to the people of the subcontinent?

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

A little ‘erased history’ for the white privilege, Empire apologist BLM sympathisers:

 

 

Memory of Cornish coast dwellers kidnapped for slavery 'culturally erased'

WWW.TELEGRAPH.CO.UK

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The memory of thousands of Cornish people who were kidnapped and sold into slavery has been “culturally erased”...

 

[Mark J]

25 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

A little ‘erased history’ for the white privilege, Empire apologist BLM sympathisers:

 

 

Memory of Cornish coast dwellers kidnapped for slavery 'culturally erased'

WWW.TELEGRAPH.CO.UK

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The memory of thousands of Cornish people who were kidnapped and sold into slavery has been “culturally erased”...

 

Aye, they've erased loads of history of the empire and its conquests too. Whack it all in a museum. If people want to learn about the slave trade/empire, then let them.
You should see what the Vikings got up to in Cornwall in 807 AD.

Edited June 11, 2020 by Mark J

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

5 hours ago, Mark J said:

Aye, they've erased loads of history of the empire and its conquests too. Whack it all in a museum. If people want to learn about the slave trade/empire, then let them.
You should see what the Vikings got up to in Cornwall in 807 AD.

Not sure I entirely grasp what I think you might be trying to convey there Mark. 
 

It’s fairly safe to say however, there isn’t a widespread, smouldering discontent amongst the Cornish towards the Vikings, nor those of African origin, on the basis of the current day interpretation of the ‘crimes’ of their long passed ancestors.  
 

Cant say the same in relation to Cornish antipathy towards the English though, that iS alive and well (perhaps not with the same degree of venom as might be experienced in Scotland, and to a slightly lesser degree Wales, but alive and easily encountered on a daily basis none the less.)

 

I frequently experience those sideways glances, that unsettling feeling of suspicion, I’m called an Emmet and generally feel like a ‘foreigner’ and a second class citizen. 
 

It might be because I’m English and have my cream first, jam on top or it might be because I’m an abrasive barsteward by nature ?

 

Think I’ll start an ELM campaign in Cornwall and see if they’ll tear down a statue of Trevithick on the basis that it’s continued presence offends me because it reminds me I’m not Cornish.....

 

 

[Mark J]

Just now, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Not sure I entirely grasp what I think you might be trying to convey there Mark. 
 

It’s fairly safe to say however, there isn’t a widespread, smouldering discontent amongst the Cornish towards the Vikings, nor those of African origin, on the basis of the current day interpretation of the ‘crimes’ of their long passed ancestors.  
 

Cant say the same in relation to Cornish antipathy towards the English though, that iS alive and well (perhaps not with the same degree of venom as might be experienced in Scotland, and to a slightly lesser degree Wales, but alive and easily encountered on a daily basis none the less.)

 

I frequently experience those sideways glances, that unsettling feeling of suspicion, I’m called an Emmet and generally feel like a ‘foreigner’ and a second class citizen. 
 

It might be because I’m English and have my cream first, jam on top or it might be because I’m an abrasive barsteward by nature ?

 

Think I’ll start an ELM campaign in Cornwall and see if they’ll tear down a statue of Trevithick on the basis that it’s continued presence offends me because it reminds me I’m not Cornish.....

 

 

I was trying to convey that pitching one set of slavery against another is essentially deflection from the matters at hand.
 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

26 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I was trying to convey that pitching one set of slavery against another is essentially deflection from the matters at hand.
 

You know me better than that Mark. I’m not saying 2 wrongs make a right. 
 

Im saying the arguments that underpin the whole BLM issue are utter tosh. 

[Mark J]

9 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

You know me better than that Mark. I’m not saying 2 wrongs make a right. 
 

Im saying the arguments that underpin the whole BLM issue are utter tosh. 

I dunno. I think that racism is an unnecessary factor in 21st century life.
I'd like to see the end of it.
While they play us against ourselves we'll always be subject to divide and conquer.

I think now is as good a time as any to get to the bottom of things.
 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

10 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I dunno. I think that racism is an unnecessary factor in 21st century life.
I'd like to see the end of it.
While they play us against ourselves we'll always be subject to divide and conquer.

I think now is as good a time as any to get to the bottom of things.
 

Get to the bottom of things.....

 

What does that actually mean?

 

UK is amongst the most tolerant nations of the planet with equality enshrined in law. 
 

What’s happening now is those that shout loudest are being pandered to at the expense of democratic process. 
 

Example, there were several votes surrounding the issue of removing that statue in Bristol. None of them were successful so it stayed. Now it’s gone because a mob decided they were more ‘entitled’ that the majority. 
 

Where is that gonna end up?

 

Labour councils the length and breadth of the UK are now saying “we’ll just take that down and put it in safe storage for the time being” because lawlessness and the acceptance of lawlessness has prevailed. 

 

Im all in with the condemnation mate, slavery was barbaric. But it was of its time and it was a multi national / multi cultural practice. 
 

I feel absolutely no responsibility for it and I fail to see how a UK resident in 2020 can claim to be disadvantaged by it. It’s utter nonsense. 

[Sutton]

43 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

 I’m called an Emmet and generally feel like a ‘foreigner’ and a second class citizen.

 

It could be worse. Visitors who wanted to stay permeantly on the Isle of Man used to be called Come Overs, then Stop Overs after 3 generations and finally, would only be accepted as local after the 5th.

The people's history of Kernow shows their strength of feeling for the place. e.g. fealty only to their local squires like Bevil Grenville and not the "national interests" in the English Civil War.