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[Saw-sick Steve]

Was there not a recession in the early 90's and the early 80's? Id imagine that would cause a deficit to any government, but why go into debt while there's a period of growth and there's a surplus for once? (of course it was going to last forever wasn't it!)

Ah, I see. So when the Tories run a deficit, it's down to the fact that there's a recession - nothing to do with them causing it, mind - yet when labour do the same, it's down to their appalling financial mismanagement - am I doing this right?

Factor in the enormous North Sea Oil bonanza enjoyed by the Tories, coupled with the fact that they sold of billions of pounds worth of state assets while in power, and the ''Tory good/Labour bad'' economic mantra trumpeted by the right-wing media doesn't look so convincing, does it?

[dan494]

ok well why was there debt taken on during the boom? sorry, period of never ending growth with no more bust

[Saw-sick Steve]

ok well why was there debt taken on during the boom? sorry, period of never ending growth with no more bust

Again, why was there debt taken on under EVERY Tory administration with the exception of the TWO YEARS that Major was Chancellor? At least with Labour money was being invested for the public good - hospitals, schools, etc... not squandered on providing largesse for already rich Tory donors by flogging off state assets to them at knockdown prices. I'm no fan of Blair, but the NHS improved markedly under Labour after years of Tory cuts - sound familiar?

[Darrin Turnbull]

Good Luck Britain. Here's hoping a successful future for the winning party.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

 

Just for context....

 

This was tweeted by Lord Sugar, a Labour Peer who paid in excess of £58 million in personal tax in January.

Edited June 7, 2017 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[Stubby]

:

Good Luck Britain. Here's hoping a successful future for the winning party.

 

:biggrin:

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Not a big twitter user, but rather liked this and thought it tied in nicely with the "police cuts" element of the discussion:

 

From a friend

I am posting this so we can get a few things sorted out in our minds before Thursdays General Election - so OK Corbyn, let's get a few things clear:

 

1 million more police officers would not have stopped the Manchester Bombings 3 weeks ago any more than the numbers in 1996 stopped the IRA bombings.

 

10,000 more police in London would not have made the2 minutes response and 8 minutes end time quicker last Saturday.

 

What would make a difference is Anti Terror legislation. Now, where do you stand on that?!

 

1. Addressing a Stop The War Coalition conference in 2011, you told the crowd: “I’ve been involved in opposing anti-terror legislation ever since I first went into Parliament in 1983”.

 

2. You voted against the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill in 1984. It introduced police powers to arrest a person suspected of involvement in acts of terrorism connected to Northern Ireland. Looking back, in 2011, you said: “It probably generated more support for those who wish to commit those acts than anything else, because it criminalised large numbers of people who had committed no criminal wrong.”

 

3. You opposed the 1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill, which proscribed the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army.

 

4. You voted against the 2000 Terrorism Bill, which introduced police powers to stop and search anyone in a designated area without having to show reasonable suspicion for doing so.

 

5. You opposed the 2006 Terrorism Bill, which outlawed the glorification of terrorism, cracked down on jihadists attending terror training camps and prohibited the circulation of terrorist publications.

 

6. You opposed the introduction of Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs) in 2011. The measures, which replaced control orders, imposed restrictions on individuals suspected of being involved in terrorism but where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute them.

 

7. You voted against the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014, which provided authorities with emergency access to phone and internet records and required communications companies to retain data for 12 months.

 

And you want to be our Prime Minister????

[Stubby]

Not a big twitter user, but rather liked this and thought it tied in nicely with the "police cuts" element of the discussion:

 

From a friend

I am posting this so we can get a few things sorted out in our minds before Thursdays General Election - so OK Corbyn, let's get a few things clear:

 

1 million more police officers would not have stopped the Manchester Bombings 3 weeks ago any more than the numbers in 1996 stopped the IRA bombings.

 

10,000 more police in London would not have made the2 minutes response and 8 minutes end time quicker last Saturday.

 

What would make a difference is Anti Terror legislation. Now, where do you stand on that?!

 

1. Addressing a Stop The War Coalition conference in 2011, you told the crowd: “I’ve been involved in opposing anti-terror legislation ever since I first went into Parliament in 1983”.

 

2. You voted against the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill in 1984. It introduced police powers to arrest a person suspected of involvement in acts of terrorism connected to Northern Ireland. Looking back, in 2011, you said: “It probably generated more support for those who wish to commit those acts than anything else, because it criminalised large numbers of people who had committed no criminal wrong.”

 

3. You opposed the 1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill, which proscribed the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army.

 

4. You voted against the 2000 Terrorism Bill, which introduced police powers to stop and search anyone in a designated area without having to show reasonable suspicion for doing so.

 

5. You opposed the 2006 Terrorism Bill, which outlawed the glorification of terrorism, cracked down on jihadists attending terror training camps and prohibited the circulation of terrorist publications.

 

6. You opposed the introduction of Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs) in 2011. The measures, which replaced control orders, imposed restrictions on individuals suspected of being involved in terrorism but where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute them.

 

7. You voted against the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014, which provided authorities with emergency access to phone and internet records and required communications companies to retain data for 12 months.

 

And you want to be our Prime Minister????

 

:congrats:

[Mark J]

[Mark J]

Not a big twitter user, but rather liked this and thought it tied in nicely with the "police cuts" element of the discussion:

 

From a friend

I am posting this so we can get a few things sorted out in our minds before Thursdays General Election - so OK Corbyn, let's get a few things clear:

 

1 million more police officers would not have stopped the Manchester Bombings 3 weeks ago any more than the numbers in 1996 stopped the IRA bombings.

 

10,000 more police in London would not have made the2 minutes response and 8 minutes end time quicker last Saturday.

 

What would make a difference is Anti Terror legislation. Now, where do you stand on that?!

 

1. Addressing a Stop The War Coalition conference in 2011, you told the crowd: “I’ve been involved in opposing anti-terror legislation ever since I first went into Parliament in 1983”.

 

2. You voted against the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill in 1984. It introduced police powers to arrest a person suspected of involvement in acts of terrorism connected to Northern Ireland. Looking back, in 2011, you said: “It probably generated more support for those who wish to commit those acts than anything else, because it criminalised large numbers of people who had committed no criminal wrong.”

 

3. You opposed the 1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill, which proscribed the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army.

 

4. You voted against the 2000 Terrorism Bill, which introduced police powers to stop and search anyone in a designated area without having to show reasonable suspicion for doing so.

 

5. You opposed the 2006 Terrorism Bill, which outlawed the glorification of terrorism, cracked down on jihadists attending terror training camps and prohibited the circulation of terrorist publications.

 

6. You opposed the introduction of Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs) in 2011. The measures, which replaced control orders, imposed restrictions on individuals suspected of being involved in terrorism but where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute them.

 

7. You voted against the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014, which provided authorities with emergency access to phone and internet records and required communications companies to retain data for 12 months.

 

And you want to be our Prime Minister????

 

 

What say you about this?