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[matelot]

Anyone care to tell me why we are joint bottom of the list of G7 countries on pay rises.......

 

Since 2007/08 living costs have gone up by 10%, if not more, where is the rise in wages to balance this out?

 

We opened our doors to hundreds of million of people that think £5 an hour is top notch money.

 

Thank Tony Blair.

[Commando]

Thats still not bad for sitting in the van all day with your feet on the dash though eggs.

 

 

 

Bob

 

 

Was thinking the same!😆😆

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

£18,488 per annum for a soldier.

Less than £10 an hour to lay your life on the line?

Because our governments, both Tory and labour think that's your worth???

£18,504 starting wage for civil servants.

Hmmmm

Who you all voting for?

Party (a) doesn't give a sh** about you.

or...

Party (b) doesn't give a sh** about you.

Great choices.

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Here's another kick in the slats that may have slipped under the radar for those of the ex Service fraternity:

 

https://www.change.org/p/all-veterans-of-hmforces-armed-forces-national-insurance-contributions?recruiter=726973141&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-reason_msg

 

Your NI contributions have been changed from 'opted in' to 'opted out' with potential significant negative implications for your qualifying years of contribution to state pension.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

A recent poll suggests that 13% of jews intend to vote for Corbyn. Given his track record on anti semitism I'm surprised it's that many.

 

 

A picture saves a thousand words:

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Which part of 'condemns all terrorism' are you struggling with? Does talking to people automatically equate to friendship or could it be a means to solving continuing problems? Do a bit of research and find out the answer Corbyn has consistently given when this smokescreen keeps being brought up. Anyway, you wouldn't want to talk to people when military action is obviously working out so well, would you?

In other news today, another example of Conservative reliability and trustworthiness.

 

Tories U-turn on plan to build more socially rented council housing | The Independent

 

I'd suggest 9/11 did more to bring republican violence to an end than any amount of talking Felix. That said, it's long been my view that poorly conceived (political) and inappropriately delivered (military) intervention in Ireland was as much the cause of the growth in violence as it was in any way able to attempt to keep a lid on it. Easy in hindsight I guess.

Edited June 3, 2017 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

You raise an excellent analogy to explain the crisis that this will cause!

The actual starting wage of a recruit in training is £14,931 which then raises to £18,488 once trained. But it is this start figure that would have to increase. Based on a 2080 hour working year which is the industry recognised standard, £14,931 equates to £7.18/Hour.

The entire Army pay scales are based on rank with annual increments within those ranks which are capped. There are specialist pay bands etc, but the basic framework is based on rank and time served.

So, if you increase very bottom by about 30%, the entire pay structure above would have to increase by the same amount to retain parity?

This is not just true of the Army, but most organisations?

Going by Labour policy though, the answer will be simple. They will just take the money required to fund the lower ranks from those above the rank of let's say Brigadier? They can obviously afford it and won't mind will they? They will just stay in the Army and soldier on whilst earning the same wage or less than the rank below them. No further chance of a wage increase or point in promotion. Simple - what could possibly go wrong with that idea?

Does that sound familiar?

SG

 

As I thought last night, it's unfortunate that the nurse on the debate wasn't pulled up on her assertion that her pay was the same as x number of years ago. Perhaps she forgot to mention annual increments...

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Thats still not bad for sitting in the van all day with your feet on the dash though eggs.

 

Bob

 

Set yourself up for that one Mr E!

 

 

What can ya do when management/preferred contractors can't get their finger out and get the parts/materials on the job?

 

You got to shake off that old public sector spectre - it's management / somebody else's fault! :lol:

[WesD]

As I thought last night, it's unfortunate that the nurse on the debate wasn't pulled up on her assertion that her pay was the same as x number of years ago. Perhaps she forgot to mention annual increments...

 

 

She was probably on the top of her band and feeling hard done too because of it.

 

Going back to the £10p/h minimum wage it would start all NHS staff on band 4 wages doing away with 2 bands, existing band 4's will demand a pay rise for being skilled workers they surely can't earn the same as unskilled workers then 5's will want a pay rise as will 6's 7's etc etc now this sounds good but how do we pay for it taking into account the NHS is the 5th biggest employer in the world!

 

Same will apply to our forces firemen and police.

 

If minimum wage was raised to £10 p/h cost of living will go up that is a definite so will benefits have to be increased if so who pays for that?

 

Sooo confused!

 

Corbin stated corporation tax and other taxes will pay for it whilst stating NI and VAT will not be raised so what are these other taxes? Hmm stumped pardon the pun.

 

We already know land value tax is coming if he gets in which will hurt but what are the others?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Absolutely! A minimum wage (in theory) is a sound aspiration.

 

But to peddle that 'moral' imperative to the gullible masses so as to garner support, whilst either intentionally or ignorantly disregarding the inevitable consequences is fraudulent and deceitful.

 

Perhaps "Fraudulent & Deceitful" would be more appropriate Labour strap-line?

[felixthelogchopper]

Absolutely! A minimum wage (in theory) is a sound aspiration.

 

But to peddle that 'moral' imperative to the gullible masses so as to garner support, whilst either intentionally or ignorantly disregarding the inevitable consequences is fraudulent and deceitful.

 

Perhaps "Fraudulent & Deceitful" would be more appropriate Labour strap-line?

 

I think May's already got that one, Kevin.