Agricultural occupancy condition

[Marko]

better off telling the owner what you want to do with the property instead of dreaming up schemes that might circumvent any clauses..

it might just be that whoever's selling might not be all thats bothered if you seem a decent chap....

First impressions an all that, your face fits, your in...

 

It is nothing to do with the owner. It is a condition attached to the property by the council. However, the owner can get the tie removed if he can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Council that it has been (fairly) marketed for a long period with no interest.

[Marko]

I have read a case where when the condition was imposed the total land associated with the property was considerably more that it currently is, and that their is not sufficient land available to make a living solely out of agriculture

 

It is usually less about what you do on the plot or the size of the plot - it is about your main job. Planning permission for the property will only have been granted because someone was able to demonstrate an essential need to live close to their place of work in either agricultural, forestry or equestrian employment. So buying a horse won't cut it but being a full time tractor driver employed elsewhere would.

 

There is no blanket answer as conditions can be very specific to the individual property hence there are lots of consultancies out there who specialise in such matters. Downside is that it costs quite a bit and as ties usually discount properties by around 25% expect the asking price to go up considerably!

[Andrew J C]

Is it really for sale? are the owners just trying to get the tie lifted. We were trying to get a tie lifted and had some farmer from miles away make a offer. Then wanted cash to withdrawl it, a$h0le.

[skyhuck]

better off telling the owner what you want to do with the property instead of dreaming up schemes that might circumvent any clauses..

it might just be that whoever's selling might not be all thats bothered if you seem a decent chap....

First impressions an all that, your face fits, your in...

 

Why would the seller care???

 

Their only interest will be in your cheque clearing

[cornish wood burner]

It is usually less about what you do on the plot or the size of the plot - it is about your main job. Planning permission for the property will only have been granted because someone was able to demonstrate an essential need to live close to their place of work in either agricultural, forestry or equestrian employment. So buying a horse won't cut it but being a full time tractor driver employed elsewhere would.

 

There is no blanket answer as conditions can be very specific to the individual property hence there are lots of consultancies out there who specialise in such matters. Downside is that it costs quite a bit and as ties usually discount properties by around 25% expect the asking price to go up considerably!

Exactly. Our bungalow had a tie on it when we bought it. No problem as I was employed in agriculture/ horticulture. We did get the tie removed before building an extension, but you will need valid reasons and best to talk to a specialist. More like 60% of normal market value with a tie around here.

[Justme]

Horses are not agriculture I would try poultry,

 

This.

 

I doubt any Agri tie would be satisfied by horses.

[richy_B]

If it states equestrian then I suppose riding school or livery could work. As others have mentioned agricultural ties are usually dictated by occupational need/main job or income being derived from the land.

 

Arb is the wrong industry and I'd not mention this at all. Firewood is workable but I reckon you'd need to demonstrate it was part of a larger forestry operation. ie you fell, extract and replant from woodlands within 50 miles of the site, the harvested material is used for firewood etc.

 

Keeping animals is fine if it's your main income. 6 hens and a goat isn't going to cut it. 1000 hens maybe.

 

The main thing to remember with planners is they don't get in trouble for saying 'NO' , they can find them selves in bother for saying yes though. Hence you will find the default answer to everything will be no and you'll have to do the arguing.

 

Get a consultant to talk of through for an hour. Then go from there.

Edited May 16, 2016 by richy_B

[richy_B]

One thing that did occur to me is does you partner work? If not I wonder if they may be better placed to lead the applications. It could be much easier for someone without another income to prove this was their main occupation and income. In my experience agricultural ties do not refer to spouses etc so if would be less of an issue if you wee full time arb.

 

Could be a good angle?

[arboriculturist]

If you're serious it may be an option to join the CLA - as you will recieve free consultancy advice from a qualified expert one a member in the correct catagory.

 

Here's a link

 

https://www.cla.org.uk/why-join-cla/benefits/farmer-and-landowner

[Alycidon]

talk to a good agent, look locally at who is hosting farm auctions etc.

 

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