teeside biomass 300mw

[Busy Daddy]

very similar I googled biofuelwatch maps

[openspaceman]

 

Anyway power stations, I wonder if it has to be subsidised or do they just take it as its there. Our energy cost from wood is around 1p per kWh That should leave them some margin considering what electricity costs.

 

Which is about 3 times the FOB price of coal out of a big hole on the other side of the world and shipping it is cheaper than the road journey from the nearest docks to you.

[muldonach]

Don't know , everyone seems worried about how long we can last before we run out

There was no mention in the bit I read about any percentage from the uk

How much will it cost to get a tonne of chip from the good old USA to teeside , it will be built right on the rivers edge not far from the current biomass plant , which I was told from a farmer who I chip for not more than 5 miles from the biomass powewr plant told me they have a massive amount of timber in stock and it is starting to rot .

Maybe this is why stobbarts have slowed down buying chip in

 

About the same as putting it in a wagon and moving it 100 miles, bulk shipping is a very efficient way of moving homogenous cargo

 

Cheers

mac

[Bogieman]

Maybe it won't last!

See https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/north-east/peterhead/730407/superjail-boiler-to-be-replaced-after-less-than-two-years/

 

[muldonach]

And here lays the problem, "logistics" . £15 a ton would only be for a relatively short haul. You cant start to haul chip the length and breadth of the country when its value is so low. The whole chip supply and demand chain would benefit if perhaps the rail companies could step in and transport this straight into the power stations. They are better placed for moving bulk around the country than trucks.

 

Bob

 

The statement is correct as far as it goes - rail is more efficient than road haulage by a factor of between 10 and 30 if memory serves correct, what is missing is the sidings and transhipment yards needed to load the wagons - not to mention the scarcity of rail tracks in critical areas.

 

Sadly the bit in italics is just wrong - there are few if any bulk handling facilities available for rail freight whereas wagon loading is easy.

 

Coastal shipping is probably a more economic option but gets difficult unless there is return cargo available

 

 

Cheers

mac

[Logsnstuff]

was it not published recently Scotland or the UK not sure which had a bumper 2014 with 7.5kk tons harvested. and if you speak to people harvesting and they seem to think maybe 10-15 years left at the current rate and planting isn't keeping up with the harvesting. 200tons+ a day in clearfell isn't sustainable.

[Richard 1234]

was it not published recently Scotland or the UK not sure which had a bumper 2014 with 7.5kk tons harvested. and if you speak to people harvesting and they seem to think maybe 10-15 years left at the current rate and planting isn't keeping up with the harvesting. 200tons+ a day in clearfell isn't sustainable.

 

 

I know nothing at all about this but is there really only 200 tonnes a day being harvested?

That does not seem much to sustain an industry to me. How much does one tree weigh 1,2, 10 tonnes .

Between all you firewood producers you must be processing more than 200 t a day?

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

I know nothing at all about this but is there really only 200 tonnes a day being harvested?

That does not seem much to sustain an industry to me. How much does one tree weigh 1,2, 10 tonnes .

Between all you firewood producers you must be processing more than 200 t a day?

 

I'd imagine 200t/day per contracter, not per whole UK! 200 would be pretty average I'd guess between the 50/day early thinning to 500/day regen harvesting.

[Richard 1234]

I'd imagine 200t/day per contracter, not per whole UK! 200 would be pretty average I'd guess between the 50/day early thinning to 500/day regen harvesting.

 

 

That sounds more like it! I thought I must be reading that wrong!

[County 764]

the likes of jim wilmer must cut a huge volume over the space of a day with a fleet of over 60 machines apparently. There's a lot of guys in Scotland with a big number of machines all fighting for the work now.