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As an outside observer, I reckon you have got it, in fact you had it at post three:001_smile:

 

 

Thank you. I agree! :001_tongue:

 

Kev, give it up ; we know.

 

 

 

I'll look up some other Eleag-thingys when I get a mo and see if I can satisfy you.

 

 

But I'm right.:thumbup:

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Hmm... the shots you took on page 1 show alternate leaves surely albeit that the one above has opposite ones it seems.

 

Is it possible that new shoots appear to show opposite leaves that later move apart as the wood ripens? Just asking...

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How about pungens?

 

I think the presence/absence of spines may not mean much; ever noticed how spineless some hawthorn seems compared to others of the species? Natural variation I'd suggest.

 

Re the opposite/alternate leaf thing I'm seeing both conditions in your pics!

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