Arbtalk 2015 General Election Poll

[Mull]

beers all round ..

 

 

Aye, handy comment!

[egnsean]

I do business with Indians and they freely admit Brits were best thing that ever happened, you have to remember that the British empire didn't rape and loot like a maturing army on rampage. It organised and put structures in place. You have to step out of the rhetoric and look at facts. The demarcation lines after ww1 were wrong but an attempt to stop the sectarian butchery which existed and has now resumed now that the strongmen dictators have been disposed in the name of democracy.

 

Albeit not empire but a good example of brutality erupting after decades is former Yugoslavia under Tito.

 

Thanks you have just put me right off my curry!

[Capetown]

"Handy" as in "Para Handy"? [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwYtkP2om_8[/ame]

[Wood wasp]

Well, by their very name they won't do much for Union!! And only time will tell what they do for Scotland! It won't be easy whatever happens, Britain is a fu***d up place just now!

 

 

It will be interesting. It's all to play for with Tories in govt in UK and SNP in Scotland, the next few steps by both are crucial.

 

Few points -

1. Despite the massive SNP mp superiority they only achieved 50% of vote, a fantastic achievement but not enough to achieve independence and this from a party arguably at their zenith. How do they play it for here, that's not strong enough performance and too soon after last ref to achieve success.

 

2. Boundary reform in UK and both labour/SNP are seriously weakened ie votes per mp is levelled.

 

3. Is it time for PR? Huge votes for Tories in Scotland plus UKIP, lib dems etc across UK but no representation - is this the best democracy can do?

[egnsean]

You are a shithead.

 

is that a technical term?

[Wood wasp]

Thanks you have just put me right off my curry!

 

 

Now that is racist - lowering discussion about business regarding the third (or seventh) largest economy in world to slang term for food

[Mull]

It will be interesting. It's all to play for with Tories in govt in UK and SNP in Scotland, the next few steps by both are crucial.

 

Few points -

1. Despite the massive SNP mp superiority they only achieved 50% of vote, a fantastic achievement but not enough to achieve independence and this from a party arguably at their zenith. How do they play it for here, that's not strong enough performance and too soon after last ref to achieve success.

 

2. Boundary reform in UK and both labour/SNP are seriously weakened ie votes per mp is levelled.

 

3. Is it time for PR? Huge votes for Tories in Scotland plus UKIP, lib dems etc across UK but no representation - is this the best democracy can do?

 

 

I'd think indyref is up to Scottish voters no?

[eggsarascal]

It will be interesting. It's all to play for with Tories in govt in UK and SNP in Scotland, the next few steps by both are crucial.

 

Few points -

1. Despite the massive SNP mp superiority they only achieved 50% of vote, a fantastic achievement but not enough to achieve independence and this from a party arguably at their zenith. How do they play it for here, that's not strong enough performance and too soon after last ref to achieve success.

 

2. Boundary reform in UK and both labour/SNP are seriously weakened ie votes per mp is levelled.

 

3. Is it time for PR? Huge votes for Tories in Scotland plus UKIP, lib dems etc across UK but no representation - is this the best democracy can do?

 

If it wasn't for your signature link I would almost agree with you.

 

Didn't we have boundry reform when Mrs Thatcher was in power?

[Wood wasp]

If boundaries were equal votes per mp then Tories would have majority in region of 70 MPs

 

Yes ref up to Scottish voters - we rejected independence by majority 55/45 in September. Don't you remember?

 

Edit - my point re Indy ref was if that SNP can't secure above 50% vote in a GE where arguably they've never been stronger then it will be hard for them to push above that to achieve full independence. Another point - as current govt If Tories grant home rule (full fiscal autonomy) to Edinburgh as result of this election then even harder for SNP to drive for independence.

 

Next steps for both are crucial but I rate sturgeon as better politician than salmond - he had great strengths but some weaknesses also.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Wood wasp

[Capetown]

The point is that the SNP made it clear that this election was not a vote for independence. It was a vote to improve Scotland's lot.