Arbtalk 2015 General Election Poll

[john p]

All the main parties point fingers at each other, blaming a whole raft of different reasons for failing economies, failing services and everything else.

 

 

 

The fact of the matter is that compared to any other time in history we are/have:

 

 

 

* A better standard of living

 

* We're better educated

 

* We have access to better public services

 

* We are better looked after by the state

 

* We have more technology available to us

 

 

 

And we still aren't productive. The issue is quite simply that we've become lazy as a nation. A man day at work isn't worth what it used to be - we're just not getting as much done. Consequently, we have all the same burdens on society without the taxation income to support it. So we put ourselves in debt, and then further into debt.

 

 

 

Much of the immigration issue stems from this. Figures show that whilst the native British public are a drain on the British public purse (taking approximately 10% more in benefits/services than paying in tax), immigrants are a net gain (EU migrants especially, who contribute much more than they take). It's no wonder so many people want a stop to EU migration when better motivated, harder working people come here, willing to work for less money.

 

 

 

I say this as a reformed lazy employee. When I was employed (social care before tree work/sawmilling), I hated my job and didn't work hard if I didn't have to. I've never worked harder than when I've worked for myself and many of the guys who work for me really graft too. I just think that the British economy really needs some serious streamlining - like with the NHS and their many managers, there are too many useless people doing 'non-jobs'. We need to get back to manufacturing base, focus on actually making things and leading the world in high technology rather than a pointless and largely forgettable service industry touting products like Wonga.com and No Win, No Fee lawyers.

 

 

 

Rant over!

 

 

Excellent post

[RichieR]

Hi TCD your mrs going through the same then

[Woodworks]

Hi TCD your mrs going through the same then

 

And mine Richie. Sad that they have such a hard time on a regular basis. I have to remind Liz of the few good days she has had. Not sure how long she will be able to hack it if things in Derriford don't improve.

[Mortimer Firewood]

And mine Richie. Sad that they have such a hard time on a regular basis. I have to remind Liz of the few good days she has had. Not sure how long she will be able to hack it if things in Derriford don't improve.

 

Are they also needlessly hireling in agency staff

[RichieR]

Hi woodworks . I know it sounds arse backwards but I think it needs the conservatives to sort it rather than labour. Labour are renouned for given jobs to everyone so why have one boss when you can have ten. Where as the conservatives like one boss and lots of workers so presumably the managers will go and nursing staff will increase. I certainly hope so as my wife and sounds like yours too are seriously considering throwing in the towel.

[eggsarascal]

All the main parties point fingers at each other, blaming a whole raft of different reasons for failing economies, failing services and everything else.

 

The fact of the matter is that compared to any other time in history we are/have:

 

* A better standard of living

* We're better educated

* We have access to better public services

* We are better looked after by the state

* We have more technology available to us

 

And we still aren't productive. The issue is quite simply that we've become lazy as a nation. A man day at work isn't worth what it used to be - we're just not getting as much done. Consequently, we have all the same burdens on society without the taxation income to support it. So we put ourselves in debt, and then further into debt.

 

Much of the immigration issue stems from this. Figures show that whilst the native British public are a drain on the British public purse (taking approximately 10% more in benefits/services than paying in tax), immigrants are a net gain (EU migrants especially, who contribute much more than they take). It's no wonder so many people want a stop to EU migration when better motivated, harder working people come here, willing to work for less money.

 

I say this as a reformed lazy employee. When I was employed (social care before tree work/sawmilling), I hated my job and didn't work hard if I didn't have to. I've never worked harder than when I've worked for myself and many of the guys who work for me really graft too. I just think that the British economy really needs some serious streamlining - like with the NHS and their many managers, there are too many useless people doing 'non-jobs'. We need to get back to manufacturing base, focus on actually making things and leading the world in high technology rather than a pointless and largely forgettable service industry touting products like Wonga.com and No Win, No Fee lawyers.

 

Rant over!

 

So, because you were employed you didn't work hard because you didn't have to!

 

If your being paid the agreed rate.... You graft!

[tractorboy1]

All the main parties point fingers at each other, blaming a whole raft of different reasons for failing economies, failing services and everything else.

 

The fact of the matter is that compared to any other time in history we are/have:

 

* A better standard of living

* We're better educated

* We have access to better public services

* We are better looked after by the state

* We have more technology available to us

 

And we still aren't productive. The issue is quite simply that we've become lazy as a nation. A man day at work isn't worth what it used to be - we're just not getting as much done. Consequently, we have all the same burdens on society without the taxation income to support it. So we put ourselves in debt, and then further into debt.

 

Much of the immigration issue stems from this. Figures show that whilst the native British public are a drain on the British public purse (taking approximately 10% more in benefits/services than paying in tax), immigrants are a net gain (EU migrants especially, who contribute much more than they take). It's no wonder so many people want a stop to EU migration when better motivated, harder working people come here, willing to work for less money.

 

I say this as a reformed lazy employee. When I was employed (social care before tree work/sawmilling), I hated my job and didn't work hard if I didn't have to. I've never worked harder than when I've worked for myself and many of the guys who work for me really graft too. I just think that the British economy really needs some serious streamlining - like with the NHS and their many managers, there are too many useless people doing 'non-jobs'. We need to get back to manufacturing base, focus on actually making things and leading the world in high technology rather than a pointless and largely forgettable service industry touting products like Wonga.com and No Win, No Fee lawyers.

 

Rant over!

 

Great post

[john p]

Hi woodworks . I know it sounds arse backwards but I think it needs the conservatives to sort it rather than labour. Labour are renouned for given jobs to everyone so why have one boss when you can have ten. Where as the conservatives like one boss and lots of workers so presumably the managers will go and nursing staff will increase. I certainly hope so as my wife and sounds like yours too are seriously considering throwing in the towel.

 

 

The conservative s have had five years to sort it out, all they've done is run it in to the ground, they said the banks are too big to fail, by my reckoning the NHS is too important to fail

[Two Acres]

Hi woodworks . I know it sounds arse backwards but I think it needs the conservatives to sort it rather than labour. Labour are renouned for given jobs to everyone so why have one boss when you can have ten. Where as the conservatives like one boss and lots of workers so presumably the managers will go and nursing staff will increase. I certainly hope so as my wife and sounds like yours too are seriously considering throwing in the towel.

 

Thats definitely backwards Richie! Its the Tories and Lib Dems that have brought us to this point. Certainly in Education Michael Grove is almost universally despised for what he did. Remember the Tories have quietly removed him from that post while they still had time for people to forget him before election time. Seems to me the NHS and Education are both suffering from the same nonsense.

[Two Acres]

The conservative s have had five years to sort it out, all they've done is run it in to the ground, they said the banks are too big to fail, by my reckoning the NHS is too important to fail

 

Completely agree