Front Projection Rules for Tractors/Mogs?

[mendiplogs]

I wouldn't be so sure and your couple of tons will have a lot more impact when its got several feet of leverage in front of the axle

 

Just sayin

 

Hi trees we have some large tractor that takes 5ton ok on front thanks happy XMAS Jon

[LGP Eddie]

Makes no odds if I say that I'm thinking along the lines of carrying a 1.66 tone Mini Digger on the front?

Obviously close coupled straight onto the side of the track frame, with the arm offset 90 degrees and the grab secured on a mount between the front/rear wheels, sort of where a loader bracket would go.

It will only project forward 1 metre from the link ends (similar to a transport box) and assuming the roof is removed from the canopy of the machine it will have an unobstructed view.

 

Width wise, all will be well inside the tractor and the Farmi 260 with conveyor should balance it nicely on the rear?

 

 

One way trip to VOSA office or not assuming perfectly legitimate use not in someone's driveway!

 

 

Eddie.

[mendiplogs]

Makes no odds if I say that I'm thinking along the lines of carrying a 1.66 tone Mini Digger on the front?

Obviously close coupled straight onto the side of the track frame, with the arm offset 90 degrees and the grab secured on a mount between the front/rear wheels, sort of where a loader bracket would go.

It will only project forward 1 metre from the link ends (similar to a transport box) and assuming the roof is removed from the canopy of the machine it will have an unobstructed view.

 

Width wise, all will be well inside the tractor and the Farmi 260 with conveyor should balance it nicely on the rear?

 

 

One way trip to VOSA office or not assuming perfectly legitimate use not in someone's driveway!

 

 

Eddie.

Hi EDDIE like a link box thanks Jon

[LGP Eddie]

Hi EDDIE like a link box thanks Jon

 

It'll have about the same footprint as a link box Jon, and probably end up much less projection than a standard bucket fitted to a loader on an equivalent tractor, as the Valtra has a nice close coupled linkage.

 

 

Just an idea, but could help me out for a while.

 

 

 

Eddie.

[mendiplogs]

It'll have about the same footprint as a link box Jon, and probably end up much less projection than a standard bucket fitted to a loader on an equivalent tractor, as the Valtra has a nice close coupled linkage.

 

 

Just an idea, but could help me out for a while.

 

 

 

Eddie.

 

HI EDDIE nice one there mate jon happy xmas and new year to all

[aspenarb]

I just wonder if anyone knows what the current regs are with regard to the front projection of anything carried on the front links of a Tractor/Mog?

 

We obviously see some pretty special bits of kit sticking out from the front of Mogs and Tractors, often with lights obscured, but I've no idea of the actual rules for a little idea I have.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Eddie.

 

Tractors/mogs are not exempt from construction and uses so it would be a wise move to sticker up and properly light any implements that hang off a tractor especially if its for non ag use.

 

Have a squint.

http://www.fwi.co.uk/gr/INFO-TRACTORS.pdf

http://assets.highways.gov.uk/specialist-information/abnormal-loads-industry-guidelines/A_brief_guide_to_overhanging_loads.pdf

 

Bob

[treequip]

Makes no odds if I say that I'm thinking along the lines of carrying a 1.66 tone Mini Digger on the front?

Obviously close coupled straight onto the side of the track frame, with the arm offset 90 degrees and the grab secured on a mount between the front/rear wheels, sort of where a loader bracket would go.

It will only project forward 1 metre from the link ends (similar to a transport box) and assuming the roof is removed from the canopy of the machine it will have an unobstructed view.

 

Width wise, all will be well inside the tractor and the Farmi 260 with conveyor should balance it nicely on the rear?

 

 

One way trip to VOSA office or not assuming perfectly legitimate use not in someone's driveway!

 

 

Eddie.

 

The first thing that jumps out at me is that while a tractor implement on a 3PL is part and parcel of the vehicle operation, hanging a link box affair to carry kit not associated with the prime mover leaves you more of a job for justification.

 

It probably wont be an issue unless you are involved in an accident at which point the other sides lawyer is going to make you look like a fat kid who caused an accident because he couldn't see over the huge pile of buns he was carrying.

 

Construction and use (as others have said) must be complied with.

[treequip]

Hi trees we have some large tractor that takes 5ton ok on front thanks happy XMAS Jon

 

Thank you john, I am aware of front linkages and suchlike.

 

While the linkage might be rated for that kind of weight and while a farmer might be fine crawling around a field with those kind of loads, what we are talking about here is road haulage rather than agriculture.

 

Its what's allowed on the road, not what the modern steroid tractor can lift and if you spank your tractor along a highway at 50k with that kind of weight on front you might just be considered reckless.

 

Just because it can don't mean you should:thumbdown:,

[Hotrod81]

Was pulled over last week for traveling with pallet forks on tractor loader. I was on the dual carriage way with the loader down as visibility is better. Always have them up on side roads though. Was told that this was an offence as they could be classed as a stabbing hazard if I hit anything. Police explained that you can run with anything on the front as long as it's blunt or has a guard across tines. Modern vehicles have crumple zones to deal with this. Mentioned that any implements sticking out more than 1 .5 m should have reflector markers on the side.

Hope this helps

[LGP Eddie]

From the responses it seems to be pretty much a case of the usual Agricultural nobody really knows unless it all goes wrong! Then they will all search a round for a relevant book to throw at me!

 

I just wanted to make it clear that I don't propose to merely sit a digger in a Transport Box on the front of a Valtra.

I would have mountings properly fitted to the machine, along with a suitable bracket to firmly secure the arm/grab well within the width of the Tractor.

Obviously it would be suitably lit/marked to be clearly visible for other road users.

In terms of vision it would be at least as good as having a loader and bucket fitted to a standard tractor, probably much better in reality.

 

The tractor would be carrying the chipper in it's role as a Forestry Tractor, and going to/from such a place of work.

 

It could be argued as 'Haulage' but I'm fully entitled to do that anyway if I simply wanted to tow the Digger behind to site. In this instance, having it on the front would give me a well balanced unit that can access places with no hassle, and be up and running in minutes with a single operator.

 

Where does it all end with the Haulage debate though? The Chainsaw behind the seat is being Hauled to site and work can't commence until it gets there!

I already have a 500litre front linkage Diesel Bowser, and this is Hauling Fuel to site, but the operation needs it?

 

It would again be well within the capability of the tractor in terms of weight, as a decent loader without anything in the bucket would be imposing more load I'd expect.

Valtra rate the linkage to 5000kg, I wish to carry 1660kg close coupled.

 

I really can't find any info on what is the maximum projection, and again this is up for debate, as where do you measure from? In my eyes the Tractor actually stops at it's furthest forward point which is the link ends, others may say the bonnet?

 

If I were to use the link ends I would anticipate having no more than 1200mm projection which compared to some of the Mog/chipper combos is nothing, and I hoped some of those guys may know the limits they're trying to work within?

 

 

It's a really difficult one, as it could all be professionally setup at little cost to be safe and hopefully comply with any regs if I can turn them up, and would provide a very cost effective solution for me.

 

 

So many questions within a question really?

 

 

 

Eddie.