RHI registered producers and suppliers

[briquette_seller]

seem to be the only one struggling then.

 

If you go down the self supplier route, they ask you to submit a felling license, or management plan, how did you get round that?

 

Did you put it under virgin or waste wood?

 

Not good with paperwork, my account know this

[skyhuck]

seem to be the only one struggling then.

 

If you go down the self supplier route, they ask you to submit a felling license, or management plan, how did you get round that?

 

Did you put it under virgin or waste wood?

 

Not good with paperwork, my account know this

 

I sent purchase orders from various council felling jobs.

 

Well I say I, my application was sorted by a consultant, she did struggle at first, but once she found out I needed to be a supplier first and then self supply it seemed pretty straight forward

[Breezeblock]

i am sure i put it down as waste wood and i could use my invoices to back it up as evidence

[farmer rod]

i am sure i put it down as waste wood and i could use my invoices to back it up as evidence

 

Im not sure of my ground here, perhaps someone can confirm/not that arb arisings are not waste they are virgin timber, but they are considered sustainable

[Spinner]

Interesting thread so thought I would comment. This is not directed at anyone but just my thoughts and ideas.

 

Increased red tape seems to be the bane of every business now and most often seems to be a waste of time but some can prove worthwhile & in the long term I think that's the case with the BSL.

 

Biggest moan I here from log suppliers is the low price they get for logs. Perhaps the first issue is that the customers still just think of them as logs and not fuel. I still hear people saying that a potential customer said his log suppliers are better value as they are nice and heavy! So they like burning wet wood! Would they use water contaminated heating oil? Truth is most would not have a clue what that means and they don't need to as oil has a stringent quality control system. Presently log wood fuel has no stringent quality control system. If you are burning logs on an open fire or small wood burner some would say 'does it really matter'. In reality it should matter as what's the sense of wasting energy & money turning moisture into steam. So we need to educate the end user and that's always going to be a difficult one. After all who of us can afford the time to explain to these people.

 

I believe the BSL offers an effective solution. The government has chosen to pay people ridicules amounts of money to heat with wood rather than oil etc. So if someone that can affordable to, lets say, spend £12k installing a log boiler system. Then receives back £50-60K in RHI payments over twenty years surely it's not unreasonable to expect those people to pay a sensible price for the fuel.

 

By most accounts the BSL is not to bad to get onto now as it's pretty much a tick box exercise. However the whole idea behind it is to create a stringent quality control system so people stop thinking they are burning just logs and start thinking 'wood fuel'.

 

My understanding is that over time the BSL will involve being 'audited' so as to ensure members are supplying 'wood fuel' that meets the necessary standards. This can only mean that getting on the BSL will become a lot tougher.

 

My advice is to get on the BSL now. I cant see any disadvantage to having a bit of paper that means you are able to supply RHI compliant 'wood fuel'. You could even use it to your advantage by making your customers aware that you produce 'wood fuel' to industry standards. Why not get a small leaflet printed that shows your BSL number and what you do to achieve the standards. Supply it with every delivery with re-order details etc. It might just mean that next time your customer gets a call from a potential alternative supplier the ask the for their BSL number and the line goes dead!

 

In time the BSL means UK could well join other European countries in having an efficient,strong and professional 'wood fuel' industry that supplies a quality product that sells at the right price.

 

If suppliers are making the right money the hopefully some will filter down the supply chain to my business!

 

The only potential glitch is that by most accounts at present consumption rates the UK will run out of trees in 10 years time as we are not planting enough. So in any way you can please encourage people to plant more trees. I always say 'fell one tree, then plant three'. And for what it's worth I believe we should stop the focus of re-planting softwood and plant more coppice wood. Similar if not better yields and it's more sustainable as it's a harvested crop rather than clear fell and re-plant.

[arboriculturist]

Interesting thread so thought I would comment. This is not directed at anyone but just my thoughts and ideas.

 

Increased red tape seems to be the bane of every business now and most often seems to be a waste of time but some can prove worthwhile & in the long term I think that's the case with the BSL.

 

Biggest moan I here from log suppliers is the low price they get for logs. Perhaps the first issue is that the customers still just think of them as logs and not fuel. I still hear people saying that a potential customer said his log suppliers are better value as they are nice and heavy! So they like burning wet wood! Would they use water contaminated heating oil? Truth is most would not have a clue what that means and they don't need to as oil has a stringent quality control system. Presently log wood fuel has no stringent quality control system. If you are burning logs on an open fire or small wood burner some would say 'does it really matter'. In reality it should matter as what's the sense of wasting energy & money turning moisture into steam. So we need to educate the end user and that's always going to be a difficult one. After all who of us can afford the time to explain to these people.

 

I believe the BSL offers an effective solution. The government has chosen to pay people ridicules amounts of money to heat with wood rather than oil etc. So if someone that can affordable to, lets say, spend £12k installing a log boiler system. Then receives back £50-60K in RHI payments over twenty years surely it's not unreasonable to expect those people to pay a sensible price for the fuel.

 

By most accounts the BSL is not to bad to get onto now as it's pretty much a tick box exercise. However the whole idea behind it is to create a stringent quality control system so people stop thinking they are burning just logs and start thinking 'wood fuel'.

 

My understanding is that over time the BSL will involve being 'audited' so as to ensure members are supplying 'wood fuel' that meets the necessary standards. This can only mean that getting on the BSL will become a lot tougher.

 

My advice is to get on the BSL now. I cant see any disadvantage to having a bit of paper that means you are able to supply RHI compliant 'wood fuel'. You could even use it to your advantage by making your customers aware that you produce 'wood fuel' to industry standards. Why not get a small leaflet printed that shows your BSL number and what you do to achieve the standards. Supply it with every delivery with re-order details etc. It might just mean that next time your customer gets a call from a potential alternative supplier the ask the for their BSL number and the line goes dead!

 

In time the BSL means UK could well join other European countries in having an efficient,strong and professional 'wood fuel' industry that supplies a quality product that sells at the right price.

 

If suppliers are making the right money the hopefully some will filter down the supply chain to my business!

 

The only potential glitch is that by most accounts at present consumption rates the UK will run out of trees in 10 years time as we are not planting enough. So in any way you can please encourage people to plant more trees. I always say 'fell one tree, then plant three'. And for what it's worth I believe we should stop the focus of re-planting softwood and plant more coppice wood. Similar if not better yields and it's more sustainable as it's a harvested crop rather than clear fell and re-plant.

 

We've planted 8,000 over 5 years, sorry but the're all hardwoods:001_tongue:

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Interesting thread so thought I would comment. This is not directed at anyone but just my thoughts .

 

 

Have you seen Tom D's thread "what's a load?"

 

There is much active and relevant discussion of wood fuel regulation (or rather the lack of it) there!

[Logsnstuff]

Interesting thread so thought I would comment. This is not directed at anyone but just my thoughts and ideas.

 

Increased red tape seems to be the bane of every business now and most often seems to be a waste of time but some can prove worthwhile & in the long term I think that's the case with the BSL.

 

Biggest moan I here from log suppliers is the low price they get for logs. Perhaps the first issue is that the customers still just think of them as logs and not fuel. I still hear people saying that a potential customer said his log suppliers are better value as they are nice and heavy! So they like burning wet wood! Would they use water contaminated heating oil? Truth is most would not have a clue what that means and they don't need to as oil has a stringent quality control system. Presently log wood fuel has no stringent quality control system. If you are burning logs on an open fire or small wood burner some would say 'does it really matter'. In reality it should matter as what's the sense of wasting energy & money turning moisture into steam. So we need to educate the end user and that's always going to be a difficult one. After all who of us can afford the time to explain to these people.

 

I believe the BSL offers an effective solution. The government has chosen to pay people ridicules amounts of money to heat with wood rather than oil etc. So if someone that can affordable to, lets say, spend £12k installing a log boiler system. Then receives back £50-60K in RHI payments over twenty years surely it's not unreasonable to expect those people to pay a sensible price for the fuel.

 

By most accounts the BSL is not to bad to get onto now as it's pretty much a tick box exercise. However the whole idea behind it is to create a stringent quality control system so people stop thinking they are burning just logs and start thinking 'wood fuel'.

 

My understanding is that over time the BSL will involve being 'audited' so as to ensure members are supplying 'wood fuel' that meets the necessary standards. This can only mean that getting on the BSL will become a lot tougher.

 

My advice is to get on the BSL now. I cant see any disadvantage to having a bit of paper that means you are able to supply RHI compliant 'wood fuel'. You could even use it to your advantage by making your customers aware that you produce 'wood fuel' to industry standards. Why not get a small leaflet printed that shows your BSL number and what you do to achieve the standards. Supply it with every delivery with re-order details etc. It might just mean that next time your customer gets a call from a potential alternative supplier the ask the for their BSL number and the line goes dead!

 

In time the BSL means UK could well join other European countries in having an efficient,strong and professional 'wood fuel' industry that supplies a quality product that sells at the right price.

 

If suppliers are making the right money the hopefully some will filter down the supply chain to my business!

 

The only potential glitch is that by most accounts at present consumption rates the UK will run out of trees in 10 years time as we are not planting enough. So in any way you can please encourage people to plant more trees. I always say 'fell one tree, then plant three'. And for what it's worth I believe we should stop the focus of re-planting softwood and plant more coppice wood. Similar if not better yields and it's more sustainable as it's a harvested crop rather than clear fell and re-plant.

 

quite agree with you but domestic payments are over 7 years I think not 20.

 

it has been said many times before we need everyone pushing softwood as the more sustainable fuel and it's going to need some authority to promote this because people don't want to listen the their log man. I just finished helping someone split some beech this afternoon and he had some of my 2nds softwood id given the landlord last winter and he couldn't believe how hot it burned was asking if I had any left.

 

planting grants at the moment I was being told people are doing 3 hard to 2 softwood.

[Breezeblock]

quite agree with you but domestic payments are over 7 years I think not 20.

 

it has been said many times before we need everyone pushing softwood as the more sustainable fuel and it's going to need some authority to promote this because people don't want to listen the their log man. I just finished helping someone split some beech this afternoon and he had some of my 2nds softwood id given the landlord last winter and he couldn't believe how hot it burned was asking if I had any left.

 

planting grants at the moment I was being told people are doing 3 hard to 2 softwood.

 

i was a diehard got to be hardwood chap until i fitted the boiler now i get softwood and flog the hardwood for better money why bother with hardwood it aint straight it splits harder and it doesn't stack as good. softwoods the king imo

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Im not sure of my ground here, perhaps someone can confirm/not that arb arisings are not waste they are virgin timber, but they are considered sustainable

 

para 6.5 Rod

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/390145/141222_Woodfuel_Advice_Note_-_Guidance_final.pdf