What effect would scottish independence have on the UK tree industry?

[daltontrees]

scotland pays £500 per head of more in tax than england but they get back an extra £1600 per head

 

so it is right that they pay more tax but are £1100 per person, per year better off

 

hence no prescription charges, no university tuition fees and free personal care for the elderly

 

Surely not? 5 million people times £1100 is £5.5 billion a year. Is that really how much the rest of UK is subsidising Scotland. What about Wales and Northern Ireland? Are they being subsidised too?

[scotspine1]

the debate here in Scotland is turning more toxic as each day goes by

 

it has the potential to cause major problems between friends, family, work colleagues etc, come September it will have reached fever pitch and there will no doubt be some violence between insane pro nationalists and ultra unionists

 

The most worrying aspect is that there could be mass rallies in the big cities by nationalists refusing to accept they've lost the referendum, it'll be like Ukraine is now.

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

[Gnome]

it'll be like Ukraine is now.

 

Only wetter!!! And wi bottles of ginger.

[daltontrees]

the debate here in Scotland is turning more toxic as each day goes by

 

it has the potential to cause major problems between friends, family, work colleagues etc, come September it will have reached fever pitch and there will no doubt be some violence between insane pro nationalists and ultra unionists

 

At leat it's staying good-natured here on Arbtalk. Thankfully the public don't have chainsaws, hee hee.

 

There will be very few marginals that are embittered by losing after a healthy debate and a genuine democratic debate and referendum. The winners will gloat, the losers resent, nothing is more certain in human nature than that. But nothing would be more repulsive and repugnant than not having the debate. There's no such thing as right or wrong , nebver any clear black or white, just shades of grey and collective opinions.

 

And your average jakey in Scotland is too mean to waste 30p on an Irn Bru bottle for a Molotov cocktail.

[Gnome]

And they would drink anything flammable

[woody3]

Surely not? 5 million people times £1100 is £5.5 billion a year. Is that really how much the rest of UK is subsidising Scotland. What about Wales and Northern Ireland? Are they being subsidised too?

 

the last figures released was

 

£10,088 for Scotland

£8,491 for England

£10,624 for Northern Ireland

 

per head of population

 

is wales part of the union?

[bobh]

At leat it's staying good-natured here on Arbtalk. Thankfully the public don't have chainsaws, hee hee.

 

There will be very few marginals that are embittered by losing after a healthy debate and a genuine democratic debate and referendum. The winners will gloat, the losers resent, nothing is more certain in human nature than that. But nothing would be more repulsive and repugnant than not having the debate. There's no such thing as right or wrong , nebver any clear black or white, just shades of grey and collective opinions.

 

And your average jakey in Scotland is too mean to waste 30p on an Irn Bru bottle for a Molotov cocktail.

 

I haven't agreed with everything you've said on this thread but wholeheartedly agree with that.

[daltontrees]

the debate here in Scotland is turning more toxic as each day goes by

 

it has the potential to cause major problems between friends, family, work colleagues etc, come September it will have reached fever pitch and there will no doubt be some violence between insane pro nationalists and ultra unionists

 

The most worrying aspect is that there could be mass rallies in the big cities by nationalists refusing to accept they've lost the referendum, it'll be like Ukraine is now.

 

 

No Tim, I respectfully disagree, they'll be more like this...

[nooie]

It's worth pointing out that an Independent Scotland would not get the defense contracts for building naval vessels. Significant proportions of the ship building involved in the Type 45 destroyer construction and the aircraft carrier construction have taken place in Scotland. 4 miles from me on the other side of the Firth sits the Queen Elizabeth at Rosyth. These two projects have a total value of over £12 billion and Scotland takes billions of that. Defense projects are exempt from EU tendering and procurement rules and a British Government can choose to build it's warships wherever it likes. It most certainly won't be Scotland and I'm sure it will be the death knell to Scottish shipbuilding.

 

Jonathan

Aye, they are giving the contracts to South Korea and already planing to close Govan and Scotstoun. This union is so great for us eh...

 

west-26065760BBC News - Govan shipyard likely to close in BAE revamp of Clyde facilities