Saw for new groundy

[Gus McWilliam]

Really gloves and pants are the things you guys worry about??????

 

I want some one who can do the job and would hope thats what the assessors are looking for

 

Clearly they aren't assessing the sharpening aspect very well

[MattyF]

The thing about sharpening chains is that you learn by making mistakes and the experience of using a saw.. It is such a shame that training has become a mass industry and you have to have all these tickets to apparently even get on site when it should be IMO that these lads and lasses have to do atleast a minimum of 6-12 months work experience before sitting any Nptc to actually grasp what's going on around them and what will be expected , that way as employers we will not be getting I'm a fully qualified Jedi saw cutter blah blah to find out that my terrier probably has more of an idea if what's going on with a saw..

It's probably wrong but I give any new employer atleast 8 months on the ground using a saw under supervision and talking them through as much as possible before I would put them in for nptcs... After that they almost have free rain still would not trust my latest with my 560 though

[skyhuck]

Clearly they aren't assessing the sharpening aspect very well

 

Maybe they were more concerned about their sharpening ability, than what their were wearing, I often sharpen without gloves.

[MWArb]

I recently started working for a local training provider (the same one I came through) and my main objective in taking the job is to make the lads coming through more "work ready". There is a difficult gap between college or NPTC and real work (this we all know) but only those providing the training can make sure they match up on release.. I'd like to think I'd let my guys loose on my 560 chain but I'd be kidding myself right now, however I've only been there 2 weeks pre Christmas so have total confidence I can prepare them better by graduation but it'll not be easy.. as mentioned by others I feel real work and knackered chains on time pressured jobs the way but it is hard to achieve in a learning environment. I have a dream

[wyk]

Let's be honest, folks. Having someone land on the job site from a weeks worth of training and expecting them to be competent is a huge ask. NPTC is guidance, the worksite is the real training for beginners. I understand the venting and the frustration, but we do need to be patient and careful with the new guys.

[john k]

Gloves are required for the assessment, and so are type c trousers,

As far as I can see this is a bit of a myth. Colleges and training providers may decide that their risk assessment requires it, but there's nothing in the assessment schedule that does. This is what it says about PPE:

 

"PPE used must comply with AFAG Safety Guide 301, HSE Chainsaws at Work INDG317 (rev1), Health and Safety Executive publications and current legal requirements in terms of specification and use."

 

AFAG is discontinued, but the latest info is on the HSE web site here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/treework/safety-topics/chainppe.htm

 

Gloves:

"Suitable gloves for the task and subject to the operator’s risk assessment.

Consider the need for protection from cuts from the chainsaw, thorny material and cold/wet conditions. Where chainsaw protection is required this should be to BS EN 381-7"

 

Trousers:

"AFAG recommends Type C leg protection for aerial work, because of the high all-round chainsaw cut protection. Where wearing Type C is impractical (e.g. because of the higher risk of heat stress), it may be appropriate to use Type A, where justified by risk assessment."

 

Can you point me to something that says no gloves or Type A trousers should be an automatic fail?