Who is not qualified...?

[treequip]

Arboriculturalist, Tree Surgeon - Two separate things..

 

Popycock, anyone can call themselves tree surgeon and anyone can call themselves arborist (or any variation there of)

[B.C. Tree Services]

are you serious?

[treequip]

are you serious?

 

Me??????

 

Yes

[Eddy_t]

Most "Arbs can't tell a birch from a beech" utter nonsense (Lots can't spell them admittedly!)The rest is fairly ridiculous aswell, "everything else is unknown" poppycock! (can I say poppycock?)

 

Ok, what can you recognise with trees? Fungi types and species? Management techniques? Associated dependant species? Could you identify down to taxonomical names? Most 'arbs' round here can't tell certain trees apart, they couldn't ID a tree if you pointed at them! They're so used to pruning, dismantling, and anything else that just means they wave a saw about, tell them you want dead limbs retaining or pollards and they give you a funny look, so in my opinion, a little bit of training and qualifications goes a long way (more than the basic NPTC tickets), although an interest past just doing the work, and at knock off time just switching off helps

 

 

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[Quercus-90]

I can ID most native uk trees by common and botanical names, have a small amount of knowledge of fungi.

Posses a few tickets and I will, in due time take the wrest.

 

But having done my tickets fairly recently and seen who can "pass" an assessment, I would not consider it to prove much more than a basic understanding of the HS and legal side of things. The wrest comes from studying/experience.

 

 

 

 

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[treequip]

Ok, what can you recognise with trees? Fungi types and species? Management techniques? Associated dependant species? Could you identify down to taxonomical names? Most 'arbs' round here can't tell certain trees apart, they couldn't ID a tree if you pointed at them! They're so used to pruning, dismantling, and anything else that just means they wave a saw about, tell them you want dead limbs retaining or pollards and they give you a funny look, so in my opinion, a little bit of training and qualifications goes a long way (more than the basic NPTC tickets), although an interest past just doing the work, and at knock off time just switching off helps

 

 

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In what direction and to what purpose?

[Eddy_t]

In what direction and to what purpose?

 

Any direction that compounds the knowledge in our line of work, fungi is a good area to get into, as there are so many different types that affect the trees, be they saprophytic, or mycorrhizal, too many people just see fungi and have the tree out, I know I'm a bugger for removing anything with a bracket type fruit body, but they do rot trees, I think that the industry could benefit from short courses that give a qualification in conservation or arboriculture/silviculture. I would love to see an increase in conservation and a push to increase hedge laying or pollards and coppice work, with the increase of popularity of woodworking and firewood the latter 2 could be done for a better profit than growing it up, hacking it down and replanting. I find TO are a little too quick with that idea!

 

 

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[treequip]

Any direction that compounds the knowledge in our line of work, fungi is a good area to get into, as there are so many different types that affect the trees, be they saprophytic, or mycorrhizal, too many people just see fungi and have the tree out, I know I'm a bugger for removing anything with a bracket type fruit body, but they do rot trees, I think that the industry could benefit from short courses that give a qualification in conservation or arboriculture/silviculture. I would love to see an increase in conservation and a push to increase hedge laying or pollards and coppice work, with the increase of popularity of woodworking and firewood the latter 2 could be done for a better profit than growing it up, hacking it down and replanting. I find TO are a little too quick with that idea!

 

 

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So are you an arborist?

 

You missed parasitic

 

And you don't need that to call yourself an arborist, the same way you only need a trowel and a line to call yourself a bricklayer

[arbogrunt]

hmmm, interesting thread!...I've got my city and guilds in Arb (distinction). My original plan was to go on and get an HNC. I quickly realised it would do me personally, no good at all, being qualified past craft level. If I had an HNC I wouldn't want to be pushing a broom and rake at the end of each day

When I worked as a freelancer, I was rarely asked for any tickets or quals and no customer has ever asked in 19 years. At the end of the day, what is a good climber?...someone who is good at pruning/rigging/felling?....or someone who is so quick, he can earn you a days money by lunchtime?...people have different ideas of what a 'good job' is...I see some excellent treework locally...and some diabolical attempts...its all about pride in the job and/or pound notes depending on what your outlook is!

[csservices]

Some interesting points being made, thing is, you don't need a course to teach you to id trees or fungi, you can read a book, difference is if you do the course you can show a box ticker a piece of paper that says you attended a course, but unless you see them at different times of year in different weather different seasons etc you won't always be sure and thats where experience comes in, same with cutting trees, no two are the same you need the experienc eto read the tree, to know which way it to fell it safely etc, I know my experience is mostly in hedge laying, but I could'nt stand in front of hedge and say to someone else, cut that out, lay that etc, I have to be doing it, its very hard to explain 22 years of experience in all types of hedges to someone else its a job you have to learn yourself and I guess its the same with trees, you can learn the basics on a course but until you do it and learn what works and what doesnt you won't know, because you cant always have someone following you round telling you how to do the job, two things I always remember being told, 1) The man who says he knows everything knows nothing, and 2) if you don't learn something everyday your doing something wrong