Out of touch

[john p]

ditto

[Old Mill Tree Care]

I think it may be just the people you've met - I haven't met any good climbers who think they are good - if you see what I mean!

 

 

 

Good post.

 

 

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[scotspine1]

Hi, I left the uk 4/5 years ago after a nd course and a apprentice stint with what I consider a good climber. I left and went subbing around the world and learnt a lot. Here's my question recently I been working with a lot of uk guys outside the uk and have been blown away by the work that's done in a bad way. Pegs on takedowns people falling out of trees, no use of a cambium saver and no ability to control wood or timber to the point I saw a large oak blocked down in 1ft pieces with gob cuts. The climbers assure me they are good and are nice guys but I can't get it in my head that its right. Am I being a nob by thinking its below average or would this be acceptable. Maybe I need to chill out but it seems way off the mark. Hope to hear some interesting replays. Cheers

 

there's a lot of people in treework who have no natural ability with judging weights, forces, angles, distances, ropes, winches, chainsaws, handsaws, knot tying, understanding equipment and how it works.

 

You can spot them a mile off, and they're not confined to these shores.

 

Re blocking down 1ft pieces with a gob, I can't believe anyone would do that, I refuse to accept that people are that stupid.

 

Can you tell us more about the people falling out of trees?

[jarnii]

The incident happened when descending from a stick waiting to be felled the guy didn't use a guide or cs just descended on a small peg when he got half way down say 10ft from the ground I saw him stop then start again then fall. When I asked if he was alright he told me he was fine and that sometimes happens. When I asked why not using a cambium saver I was told they were not efficient. On this job we have no time pressure or targets and the safety point is spoken about all the time but I've been made to question if what I do is right by 5 guys doing it different or though I know in my head they are mostly wrong. The problem is trying to get the message across as a lot of the guys have done more years so refuse to listen to someone with less years. As for what's been learnt in the years I can only speak for myself just made me think a hell of a lot about the mind set behind some of the reasoning.

[Le Sanglier]

The incident happened when descending from a stick waiting to be felled the guy didn't use a guide or cs just descended on a small peg when he got half way down say 10ft from the ground I saw him stop then start again then fall. When I asked if he was alright he told me he was fine and that sometimes happens. When I asked why not using a cambium saver I was told they were not efficient. On this job we have no time pressure or targets and the safety point is spoken about all the time but I've been made to question if what I do is right by 5 guys doing it different or though I know in my head they are mostly wrong. The problem is trying to get the message across as a lot of the guys have done more years so refuse to listen to someone with less years. As for what's been learnt in the years I can only speak for myself just made me think a hell of a lot about the mind set behind some of the reasoning.

Well why did he fall? Did the rope slip off the peg.

If I am leaving a stick up to be felled, I'll descend on a peg, or cut a upside down gob and come down on that. If it's done right where's the problem?

[jarnii]

He slipped of the peg he had left but I always thought it was easier to just pop in a rope guide or cambium saver and come down and leave a clean stick. The peg was too small to decend on hence the fall. It's not a huge fall but its the fact it's a fall to me that's important.

[skyhuck]

Well why did he fall? Did the rope slip off the peg.

If I am leaving a stick up to be felled, I'll descend on a peg, or cut a upside down gob and come down on that. If it's done right where's the problem?

 

Do you use a cambium saver?

[Le Sanglier]

Do you use a cambium saver?

 

Yes for most climbing jobs but I would have thrown it out of the tree by the time I get down to the stick. If I think the descent might be dodgy I'll throw the flipline round aswell. I sometimes don't bother with it on a small dismantle.

(the CS I mean)

[skyhuck]

Yes for most climbing jobs but I would have thrown it out of the tree by the time I get down to the stick. If I think the descent might be dodgy I'll throw the flipline round aswell. I sometimes don't bother with it on a small dismantle.

 

I just move my CS to around the stem and slid it down as I'm blocking down.