Lolering your own gear

[Rich2484]

Sorry.......... the point I was trying to make was that the inspector wont be bringing anything to examine for microscopic cracks, a biner would be inspected for proper operation and visual defects.

 

In any LOLER thread these is always an element from climbers of “I inspect my own kit anyway”, and that’s a good thing as well as a LOLER requirement but as an industry we tend to be tree focused and overlook the fact that we are just a tiny fraction of what the LOLER regs cover, your 6 or 12 monthly inspection is a requirement of the wider regulations that are supposed to keep everyone safe across all industries.

 

 

Anyhow chippers come under PUWER not LOLER:laugh1:

 

Good thread this as I always wounder over loler and stuff.

 

Every climber will give there kit a once over before use, but if the loler trained "man" hasn't tested the kit and you have a mishap would your ins company pay out if an employee gets hurt. Either climber or groundie using the lowering kit???

 

And, I know you are self employed etc but just using your post as you mention regs.

[treequip]

Good thread this as I always wounder over loler and stuff.

 

Every climber will give there kit a once over before use, but if the loler trained "man" hasn't tested the kit and you have a mishap would your ins company pay out if an employee gets hurt. Either climber or groundie using the lowering kit???

 

And, I know you are self employed etc but just using your post as you mention regs.

 

Let’s clear up a misnomer, it’s a thorough INSPECTION of kit, no testing is involved.

 

The purpose of the periodical inspection is safety and record keeping, this should augment the weekly inspection and record keeping you ought to be doing as a user. (under best practice anyway)

 

What your insurers will pay out on is nothing to do with LOLER, unless they have specified inspections as a condition of insurance

[MATTMOSS]

This is one of my questions though, the hse don't state qualified or trained Loler inspector.

 

Your question is still not answered Mike!

they may not state LOLER trained but they say competent person which if you can argue you are competent and have a reputable knowledge for inspecting equipment used in lowering and lifting operations then maybe.

I dont know either and if i wasnt so tired id look further into it- maybe tomorrow.

 

regards

[mikecotterill]

Your question is still not answered Mike!

they may not state LOLER trained but they say competent person which if you can argue you are competent and have a reputable knowledge for inspecting equipment used in lowering and lifting operations then maybe.

I dont know either and if i wasnt so tired id look further into it- maybe tomorrow.

 

regards

 

Yep I'm not sure anyone knows.

[Jesse]

Mikecotterill, i'm with you on this and woody paul, i'v had it with HSE this country has gone completely bonkers , no one has ex-ray vision apart from Clark kent and thats the way it should be, I no longer loler just buy new kit every 6 to 12 mths out of the company and then sell it on ebay when its due a test, with the discount i buy at i normally make a bit on ebay when i sell it. For some strange reason tree kit/saws make more money on ebay than they do when you buy new at discounted prices, especially ms200's/201's. Plus its also a way of drawing a little out , if you know what i mean .

[Jspiteri]

If the HSE thought the Cycles to Failure was important part of the 6 monthly inspection then it would be in the HSE guidelines as a requirement of the competent person. But it isn't . At no point does it mention NPTC or any recognised training companies

[treequip]

Your question is still not answered Mike!

they may not state LOLER trained but they say competent person which if you can argue you are competent and have a reputable knowledge for inspecting equipment used in lowering and lifting operations then maybe.

I dont know either and if i wasnt so tired id look further into it- maybe tomorrow.

 

regards

 

I like the way you allowed a reasonable time for the answer, an hour is always more than enough.

 

The reason they don’t specify is simply because LOLER is a huge area. I am a qualified LOLER inspector for arb equipment but I wouldn’t want to put my name to inspecting one of Mr Coles Cranes.

 

A proper inspection requires specialist knowledge of the kit, the man who inspects cranes would probably be bewildered by most of our mechanical friction devices

 

So they specify appropriate knowledge to be sure that the people inspecting know what they are looking at.

Its up to you to know if you are suitably qualified but be ready to defend it in court if the wheels come off

[Dog Tag]

I keep a written record of all kit i use on every work climb. I inspect it before and after and record same. I know its the boring part of our job (paperwork), but its my life. Official inspections are a part of our job. They sign off, everyone is happy.

Just my one cent..

[Albedo]

Sorry.......... the point I was trying to make was that the inspector wont be bringing anything to examine for microscopic cracks, a biner would be inspected for proper operation and visual defects.

 

In any LOLER thread these is always an element from climbers of “I inspect my own kit anyway”, and that’s a good thing as well as a LOLER requirement but as an industry we tend to be tree focused and overlook the fact that we are just a tiny fraction of what the LOLER regs cover, your 6 or 12 monthly inspection is a requirement of the wider regulations that are supposed to keep everyone safe across all industries.

 

 

Anyhow chippers come under PUWER not LOLER:laugh1:

 

 

Thanks for the considered response, but the bit in bold was my point too. Assuming we get what 'cycles to failure' is, I'm on about how you quantify it by visual inspection.

 

He'd need to xray it and in the absence of said machine, how is cycles to failure determined.

 

Is it by time in service, for example? as well as visual inspection.

 

 

I won't be getting a chipper ticket, I hope:001_smile: but never say never is what I'm supposed to have learned with age:001_smile:

[treequip]

If the HSE thought the Cycles to Failure was important part of the 6 monthly inspection then it would be in the HSE guidelines as a requirement of the competent person. But it isn't . At no point does it mention NPTC or any recognised training companies

 

No mate you have missed the point, Mike asked about the LOLER course and I used a question about CTF as an example of the depth of knowledge that may or may not be required, no one said it was part of the inspection process.

 

What guidelines of competent person are you referring to and since when do the HSE endorse training companies

 

Welcome to the forum BTW