need qualification to buy a top handle

[Le Sanglier]

You can go into a hire shop round here and hire any saw from a MS200 to a MS880,

no tickets nothing. and like you say there isn't arms and legs lying all over the place.

[Treeman1310]

On 10/11/2012 at 21:57, Steve999 said:

Thanks for the info skyhuck. If kickback were to occur, presumably the saw would go flying towards the operator - sounds lethal. I've seen videos of trees being demolished with the top handle being used with both hands, so probably close enough to do some serious damage. As always, whatever H+S advise, individuals will do as they want.

 

Anyone had kickback with a top hanle?

No, mate, I've always used commonsense when I'm up in the tree using a topper, and I use both hands to keep the saw steady to do the job as safely as I can without any issues or causing any damage to persons or property. It's the hands on experience of doing tree work that counts the most, not sitting in a classroom like as if you're back at school paying over the odds to get the tickets. I find doing it in the field exciting and challenging. I also use the SRT method of climbing which I find a hell of a lot easier to get up there in to the canopy and complete the tasks I'm contracted to do

[Mick Dempsey]

3 hours ago, Treeman1310 said:

No, mate, I've always used commonsense when I'm up in the tree using a topper, and I use both hands to keep the saw steady to do the job as safely as I can without any issues or causing any damage to persons or property. It's the hands on experience of doing tree work that counts the most, not sitting in a classroom like as if you're back at school paying over the odds to get the tickets. I find doing it in the field exciting and challenging. I also use the SRT method of climbing which I find a hell of a lot easier to get up there in to the canopy and complete the tasks I'm contracted to do

You’re replying to a post from 13 years ago, but good to hear you’re being safe anyway. 

[Treeman1310]

On 10/11/2012 at 23:26, teepeeat said:

 

agreed Skyhuck - just common sense and logic. Unfortunately clever legal types have twisted the legal system to the extent that common sense and logic no longer come into play

 

As for tickets - they are just bits of paper. In my line of work I find that those with the most tickets have the least experience as they have spent all their time in the classroom rather than doing the job.

You are right.These so called tickets are just pieces of paper that won't get you any guarantee of obtaining employment. I have many years of hands on experience and have been to the school of hard knocks. In my work I have only had one lucky escape when I fell 10 ft from the tree while working in Crossflatts near Keighley in 1989 and ended up spending 48 hours in Airedale Hospital under observation with luckily no serious injury. Actually I had Lady Luck on my side, and it's never put my off climbing and working in trees, it has made me even more determined to get right in the thick of the action. Some of these people that have qualifications but no work experience think that they are the bees knees and know everything about tree work, but have spent most of the time sitting in a classroom rather than doing the actual job, but old hands like myself who have no qualifications and have been on the job for years doing it without even setting foot in a classroom. Like I've always said, it's the experience gained by doing the job itself that counts the most, not being a jumped up jerk with a piece of paper with no experience saying they are better than us self taught tradesmen.

[Doug Tait]

Conversely, there are plenty of "I've been doing this X years" types that aren't half as good as they've convinced themselves.

 

Recently spoke to a budding young climber who'd got the chance to work for a guy who'd been doing trees his whole life, old hand that had seen it all. He told him he wouldn't need tickets as he'd teach him everything he needed to know. The lad was quite confident he was a decent climber, but was surprised to hear that people tend to use a mainline and lanyard when climbing, his boss had him do every tree with harness, strop and spikes. Just the one strop.

 

I agree the idea that a ticket "qualifies" someone to do a job is a stretch, but there needs to be an entry level of some kind other than having some old kit given to you and hearing rumours about how to use it.

[Ty Korrigan]

When in France...

 

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[Mick Dempsey]

This was a subject of lots of discussion back in the day. 
Never hear anything about it now 

 

[Ty Korrigan]

8 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

This was a subject of lots of discussion back in the day. 
Never hear anything about it now 

 

It's France's equivalent of being able to buy a handgun in Walmart...

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[Mick Dempsey]

At the risk of reigniting the debate, angle grinders both big and small scare me.

Jumpy evil bastards. 

[Mark Bolam]

I hear you there Mick.

 

I’d rather use any of my toppers with my plums hanging out.