annoyed by highly qualified ..rubbsih climbers

[Big dog]

I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of new, college educated tree workers leave the industry within the first three to four years of being qualified when they find out what the job is really all about.

[Jason James Gairn]

In reply to Jason James Gairn:

 

I take what your saying, as far as I was concerned he was safe (as you can be doing this job) awesome level of fitness combined with a methodical working approach meaning less climbing than many would have done. Bits roped down where necessary - I especially like the way he roped several small branches down together saving numerous lowers.

 

As for piecework always difficult. It's fairer that those that work harder, better, smarter earn more money. Obviously that shouldn't come at the risk of safety but thats the climbers call when he's in the tree I guess.

 

Rob

 

Good.Sounds like a good climber.

I agrree that those deserving should ern more, but the piecework carrot doesn't encourage anything but fast work. There are so many corners that can be cut by a climber, I don't blame them too much as most are trying to ern a decent about of money in a badly paid industry. A reasonable expectation of what a professional safe and fast climber can acheive in a day is essential for any employer /foreman. This sadly is a very rare thing

[Jason James Gairn]

I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of new, college educated tree workers leave the industry within the first three to four years of being qualified when they find out what the job is really all about.

 

Seeing as 50% of the worlds population is in the tree industry, I'd say that none leave ever. wish they wood sometimes.

[Arborlord]

I was getting £120 a day for normal stuff. Just to add i only got qualified after 5 years of climbing.

 

Was not going to waste all that money untill i knew i was staying in the trees.

 

Point being i earned a rep for good shaping etc and good speed qualifications matter very very little. You cannot be taught this job in college a persons ability depends on passion for the job attention to detail.

 

And COMMON SENSE i worked with some right tits put a rake down a forget where they just put it or cant find the earmuffs cos there still on there head lol.

 

I would only employ a climber with min 3 years thats just when you learn the basics.

[scotspine1]

I get loads of calls from guys looking for work....telling me that they have cs this and cs that...and qualified in this and that..annoys the hell out of me...there seems to be a new generation of super geek climbers!...that have a this dry knowledge ..but when it comes to thinning a big tree out and doing a scary removal in the pissing rain ..the just crack..and are broken easy!

 

I understand that Arboroculture is advancing in new technology and climbing methods etc are making things safer and and jobs more efficent...but You still need to have a thick skin..and be at least a little bit tough!

 

Just had to many guys call me up telling me they have done this and done that...then shaking like aleaf when the get 10 ft of the ground...PATHETIC!

 

Strong words there Martyn1, you're right....you can have all the qualifications under the sun but its good experience that matters. Finding a good climber is not an easy job, and when you do find one there's nearly always something else wrong with them.

 

I know a great climber who doesn't even have a basic driving licence!

 

For god's sake Martyn! get a bloody licence! There's loads of driving schools in Glasgow!

 

[Mike Hill]

New graduates in any profession all to often beleive that know it all,it just comes from being young and eager.If they have the "minerals" they will stick around,if not they find another craft more suitable.

 

Its probably been like this forever.

[Stuart A-C]

I was lucky enough to get a job straight out of college, spent most of the first few months dragging brash, but when given the opportunity to climb it was grabbed with both hands, then got given the crappy stuff to climb, after a year I was running a crew and spent the next 4 years as a foreman. I have just moved south and onto the freelance ladder, and its a whole new ball game.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is watch and learn and grasp any chance to climb you can get, talk to other climbers, learn new methods, and dont be afraid to express your way of doing things! yes you will probally get the rubbish stuff like conifer removals, but it is all experience.

[Jason James Gairn]

that signature is great.

[Stuart A-C]

I think it was an oscar wilde quote, not too sure though

[penfold]

rudyard kipling's poem 'if'