This months Essential Arb - Cut and hold

[alex_m]

yeh sounds the same as the aa article. guess they are the same. he lost proper use of his hand/fingers and the other guy put the saw into his chest! makes you think a bit....

[screwie]

thinking about it i read it in the aa mag. yeah does make you think every1 in the company was made to read it and take note, too late to change once its happened and it can happen so quickly and easily. let it be a lesson to us all

[Billy]

I knew a guy who cut into the soft side of his elbow and across a bit of his forearm, he lost the use of the good fingers. just gotta be careful as you do it i guess...it'll never stop.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

NOT condoning 'cut and hold' at all as it's completely in breach of all HSE/AFAG guidance, perhaps tho, in (large) part, it's down to expereince and judgement AND, in my expereince of observing, often using the hand-saw as opposed to the chainsaw...a far safer and more pleasurable (quiter) operation!

 

BE SAFE...don't take that risk, it's never worth it!

 

Cheers..

Paul

[Dean Lofthouse]

Lets be realistic....it will always be done and will never stop and it's about time HSE and other organisations started to recognised this and start bring it into training.

 

There are safe ways to cut and hold

 

Jobs would take me three times longer and cost the customer three times more if I didn't.

 

Holding with your left hand 4ft down the branch whilst cutting at the union is safe full stop and its about time they started to introduce that sort of thing and introduce standards of when it is safe and when it isn't.

 

Instead of the chainsaw operator, experimenting and finding out the hard way, because at the end of the week, he will and any other newby will..cut and hold...simples

[Ian Leach]

Or hold with your right and cut with your left, thats what me lefty does and its safe.

[Rupe]

I dont think it will ever be taught, even though it happens every day. Its a bit like overtaking a truck with a corner coming up. It will probably be ok if your fast enough and the corner is far enough away, you have to assess the risk and make a decision. But do it on your driving test and you will fail!

 

So they teach that its not to be done, employers enforce it for duty of care purposes, and then those who can assess the risk correctly do it without problems but then there are those who dont and make a mistake.

 

I bet there are none of us on here that have never driven over 70mph, (100 even) we all know its wrong, but its more wrong when you crash!

[skyhuck]

Slightly of topic, but does any one else find the new chains are more dangerous, as the extra raker material makes the saw more likely to skid along, instead of bighting in.

[Dan Curtis]

Imo, its the one handed saw users / cut and holders that are eventually going to be the reason we lose the luxury of top handled chainsaws. With a bit of experience and ability, cutting properly (two hands) there is no reason you should be slower.

[High Scale]

NOT condoning 'cut and hold' at all as it's completely in breach of all HSE/AFAG guidance, perhaps tho, in (large) part, it's down to expereince and judgement AND, in my expereince of observing, often using the hand-saw as opposed to the chainsaw...a far safer and more pleasurable (quiter) operation!

 

BE SAFE...don't take that risk, it's never worth it!

 

Cheers..

Paul

 

Cutting and holding with a hand saw isn't against HSE guidance is it or am i miss -reading your post?

 

I cut and hold rarely but I do use this method occasionally, it's a natural practice for anybody with experiance, saying that though it's got to be one of the most common ways of people getting cut.

Edited January 7, 2011 by High Scale
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